is ridiculous.
Why didn't Irish immigrants rob and kill on the massive levels your talking
about? Or any of the large number of displaced former slaves and military
personnel after the civil war? Obviously there were individual instance
where these things happened, but it was not the norm, nor would it be here.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 9:55 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: More Breaking News
Yes, I am aware of that.
I am also aware that people who live in abject poverty will do anything to
survive and protect themselves and their families. Public executions don''t
stop a family from going hungry.
There are entire nations who live by exactly the ideals that you're talking
about. These countries are: Somailia, Afganistan, and Sierra Leone to name
a few.
- Matt Small
----- Original Message -----
From: Heald, Tim
To: CF-Community
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 9:42 AM
Subject: RE: More Breaking News
You do know that their wasn't always welfare and minimum wage in this
nation
right?
I figure that after the first couple of public executions people would
stop
doing that :)
And yes I do actually support the idea of public executions.
--
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-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 9:41 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: More Breaking News
If there were no minimum wage law and there was no public welfare then you
would likely be shot in the street for your wallet and groceries by people
needing to eat.
You don't antagonize a hungry dog.
- Matt Small
----- Original Message -----
From: Simon Horwith
To: CF-Community
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 9:24 AM
Subject: RE: More Breaking News
but the idea behind Minimum wage is that it guarantees a standard of
living
that, though still at or near poverty level, does help to guarantee
certain
basic living standards. Even then, the minimum wage tends not to
keep-up
with the rise in inflation. That said, if a higher inflation rate is
the
price we must pay in order to guarantee legal workers a chance at a
decent
life, so be it.
~Simon
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-----Original Message-----
From: Heald, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 07 January 2004 14:02
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: More Breaking News
I think two main things have led us through inflation and rising
costs.
1. Coming off of the gold standard, thanx Nixon.
2. Minimum wage.
Why in a free market economy should the government dictate what one
side
of
an open trade should receive? If a person is willing to work for next
to
nothing, should they not be able to? Also, to return to a place where
we
can compete in a world economy as not just a service provider, but an
industrial base, we need low pay low skill employees. As long as law
requires us to meet and exceed basic standards we cannot do so.
The only other answer would be to severely penalize countries and
companies
that don't meet the same requirements that we impose internally.
We start by exactly matching tariffs imposed by other nations against
our
goods. Add additional tariffs to nations that don't afford their
employees
the same minimum standing of living, add even more for nations that
don't
have basic human rights.
It would be painful, maybe even start a war or two, but I think it
would
be
worth it in the long run.
--
Timothy Heald
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Overseas Security Advisory Council
U.S. Department of State
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-----Original Message-----
From: Simon Horwith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:58 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: More Breaking News
Hey - I like cutting my own lawn.
I'm no economist, bu i wouldn't hold your breath on seeing minimum
wage
go
away. Quite honestly, as far as I know it shouldn't go away. The
goal
shouldn't be to do away with it so that companies can hire Americans
for
as
cheap as they can get illegal labor, but to legalize all of the labor
to
the
extent that it all falls under minimum wage law. That way there'd be
no
benefit to hiring an illegal labourer as opposed to a legal one
(they'd
cost
the same). Without minimum wage, what would protect the workforce -
especially unskilled and manual labour? Of course, this would most
likely
result in even more work being outsourced to countries like India...
any
work that can be, anyway.
~Simon
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-----Original Message-----
From: Heald, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 07 January 2004 13:36
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: More Breaking News
>We have 10.5 million illegal workers in the United States right
now,"
said
US Chamber of Commerce President Thomas Donohue.
>"If they went home, we'd have to shut down the country."
Hehe, or we'd just have to learn how to cut our own lawn again. :)
Immigration is probably where I am furthest from libertarian. At
this
point
I am almost isolationist. I would much rather see work-fare
programs
that
get people off the rolls of welfare and into low and no skill jobs.
Really
if we could do away with the minimum wage and make it so that these
companies that hire illegals because they can't afford Americans,
can
again,
it would be good for us all.
Also isn't this going to encourage MORE illegal immigration, as
people
will
see the "success stories" of people who got legal recognition. Plus
the
way
many state governments are set up, don't immigrants, even
non-citizens,
then
become eligible for social programs, like welfare and medical
benefits?
Yeah I can't see how any of this is a good idea.
--
Timothy Heald
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Overseas Security Advisory Council
U.S. Department of State
571.345.2319
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-----Original Message-----
From: Erika L Walker-Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:27 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: More Breaking News
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3375327.stm
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3375327.stm>
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3375327.stm>
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3375327.stm>
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3375327.stm>
Cheers,
Erika
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