yeah us CF folks sure love our markup environment...

from my end, text editing is darn efficient... Things like Photoshop,
DreamWeaver, Flash, etc. all have new fangled interfaces, Photoshop being
the least of difficulty UI wise...

At any rate, I need to check Flash MX out and see if the UI for creation has
become any more logical for the programmer type... seemed too interface
laden to hop in quickly and make a fun run at it...

-paris


-----Original Message-----
From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:00 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?


I've been wondering lately about the cost of development for Flash...what if
there was an alternate way to develop the flash interface using pre-made
components? (above and beyond what exists today)

Would it be crazy to image writing a web page in a markup language which
produced flash? I've always thought the development environment was the
biggest hurdle but that could very well be because I'm coming from a
programming background and not a designer's...

<select>
   <cfloop query="cities">
   <option>#city#
   </cfloop>
</select>

In Flash:

<flash:select id="cityselect">
   <cfloop query="cities">
   <flash:option>#city#
   </cfloop>
</ flash:select>

It's getting late, I'm talking crazy...


-----Original Message-----
From: Paris Lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:43 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?

cost of development alone may be the biggest deterrent...

in our world its:

interface (graphic)
content (text)
html
applications (cf)

clients want to pay only for the HTML :) the apps have to be done cheaply,
and quickly... thus CF... Interface is always an issue... modifying
Photoshop designs to cross browser implemented HTML is a pain in the arse as
it is...

Can only wonder how expensive Flash would get... because now you add a new
layer of behaviors, many multiples of design and round trip interaction and
tracking... lots of stuff...

Flash should be proximate to CD Rom development... The average CD Rom
development costs what these days?

-paris



-----Original Message-----
From: Chad Gray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:30 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?


Try to sell the clients on the costs of developing the flash.

If you count up the hours.  Flash is NOT cheap.

If you count up the hours maintaining flash... It is REALLY not cheap.

My .02 from experience.


-----Original Message-----
From: Bonnie E. Betts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 7:16 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?


Is it me, or has anyone else noticed there's a REALLY strong push for =
Flash lately at all the CFUGs and conferences??  Is there any particular
= reason for this?

I like Flash - don't get me wrong.  But I view it as a GUI frill that I
= doubt I can sell to my clients who want a functional business =
application.  Anyone here can tell me why/how I could sell them Flash =
which would be over and above CF development?

Bonnie E. Betts
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.bettsIT.com
703.508.9766







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