I've got Visual Studio here.  If Microsoft likes, I can write a godawful 
ASP.NET page with queries, business logic and display parameters in the 
same page in about 10 minutes if they like.  Same with any other web 
development methodology, including ColdFusion.  Good design takes time.

- Jim

Mike Brunt wrote:

>I'm on my way out so can't read all, but paragraph 3 deserves some kind of
>response: -
>
>"ColdFusion follows the same development and page execution model as that of
>classic ASP, PHP, JSP, and other similar Web-scripting languages.
>Specifically, code is embedded in HTML markup, and as a given page executes
>from top to bottom, the output of the code's execution takes the place of
>the embedded code in the resulting HTML document. This development model is
>easy to grasp, but it does have a number of drawbacks. Chief among these is
>the lack of separation between application logic and presentation markup.
>Mixing code and presentation makes the code harder to read, which increases
>the time and effort involved in maintenance, and creates significant
>challenges for non-programming graphic designers who need to modify a page.
>Over the years, ColdFusion has introduced several ways to mitigate this lack
>of separation, including custom tags, and others-but the fundamental model
>remains."
>
>What about cfc's and for those who really want to move more OO concepts CF
>and Mach II.  This is typical MS BS and deserves a response from MM in my
>opinion.  (A lot of bloody abbreviations there!).
>
>Kind Regards - Mike Brunt
>Webapper Services LLC
>Web Site http://www.webapper.com
>Blog http://www.webapper.net
>
>Webapper <Web Application Specialists>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jesse Houwing [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 8:44 AM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: MSDN on CF -> ASP.net
>
>First it explains what both ASP.net and Coldfusion are and that they share a
>similar background. A simpel feature comparison is used to show how one can
>convert a Coldfusion Application to ASP.net.
>
>It contains a few errors, especially 'forgetting' to mention that a lot of
>functionality is available in the standard JAVA API's which van be directly
>accessed from coldfusion (Image support in ASP.net is also only available
>through teh .Net framework, the same applies to SAX XML support and
>Threading).
>
>They conclude that ASP.net is more reliable, faster scaling better etc. etc.
>without showing any figures ro numbers.
>
>Read it for yourself:
>
>http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnaspp/html
>/coldfusiontoaspnet.asp
>
>Jesse
>
>
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