>> - Additional Trimmings: $0 (Already have network AV and hardware >> firewall)0
> Accounting doesn't work that way. I don't know how your accounting works (you sound like you work for a corporation, but mine works any way I want it to, since I'm the one doing the work, billing, and paying the bills. If I don't have to spend any money on network AV or a firewall...well, that calculates out to $0... > Why so much more then Windows? What is so hard about typing: > apt-get upgrade > apt-get install apache > apt-get install mysql > apt-get update This is a perfect example of why it would take longer...I'd have to spend 3 hours just to find out that I needed to run those commands and how to run them! I just have zero experience with Linux, so I know it'll take much longer to install *and* complete final setup. And all the stuff you mentioned at the end of your email...don't do any of that stuff. Would if I could or even knew I needed to, but most of it I've never even heard of, so it's not calculated into the time. Remember, I don't have a degree in this stuff, nor am I self-educated beyond what I run into that needs attention. If it causes a problem somewhere along the way, I learn about it and fix the problem. But if it doesn't cause a problem, it'll never get attention. I'm just one of those "put it together as best you can and see what happens" techs. There are risks I'm sure with not "hardening the TCP/IP stacks" or "pulling the plugs on hard disks while the system is running to check to check if the alarm goes, etc.", (is that for security or what?) but there's also security overkill that may or may not be necessary for a one server operation. I don't have a dedicated IT department full of people who know how to do all that stuff...maybe one day I'll be bitten by not doing it...then I'll do it...but for now, it seems like overkill... Rick -----Original Message----- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 7:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Don't need a Windows Server OS if using Apache? Rick Faircloth wrote: > Off the top of my head, I would calculate the costs as follows (where > I can give a reasonable estimate): > > A) Windows Solution > > - Windows Box: $1000 (with RAID / hardware only including monitor) > - Windows Server 2003 Web Edition: $300 You want to run CF on a box with 2 GB max? > - Additional Trimmings: $0 (Already have network AV and hardware > firewall) Accounting doesn't work that way. > - Time for setup: 8 hours max > - Total Windows Solution: $2600 > > B) Linux Solution > > - Windows Box: $1000 (with RAID / hardware only including monitor) > - Linux OS: $0 > - CF Standard: $1300 > - Apache: $0 > - MySQL: $0 > - Additional Trimmings: $0 (Same as above) > - Time for setup: 20 hours (estimate, could be more or less, but >seems reasonable) Why so much more then Windows? What is so hard about typing: apt-get upgrade apt-get install apache apt-get install mysql apt-get update > - Total Linux Solution: $2300 > > So: - Windows Solution: $2600 + 8 hours setup > - Linux Solution: $2300 + 20 hours setup > > Both time estimates on setup of every are probably high I think they are both very low, unless you already have a considerable investment in automation of certain tasks. For instance hardware acceptance tests (memtest > 24 hours but unattended, pulling plugs on harddisks while the system is running to check if the alarm goes etc.) and backup configuration (including test of full backup / restore cycle) take me way longer then that. And the only reason things like hardening the MS TCP/IP stack & configuring the Windows firewall and configuring the second, third etc. CF instane take me much less time is that I have done it so many times that I have the scripts ready for that (but then I have to count the time to create the scripts towards the task). Jochem ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:244007 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
