Rob, I will weigh in here as well. I am a former developer turned pointy headed manager/exec type in the decision making seat and I can tell you why I have chosen ColdFusion (over other dev languages) for the development of our large scale e-commerce sites.
1.) It is a very mature product and actually has a responsive vendor behind it. If I have a problem I can pick up the phone (and I have) and talk to people like John Treloar and senior Macromedia manager in the States. Try that with PHP or Microsoft and see how far you get. 2.) Speed of (on going) development. The big mistake most managers make is planning for the launch of the site not the life of the site when it comes to cost. Focusing on how much it will cost to get the site up and running when that is only the tip of the iceberg when you look at site you want to keep running for years. The way you are going to get and stay ahead of your competitors is by being quick and responsive and launching new features and functionality. That takes a pretty much constant development schedule. Just ask Grant Straker. The speed with which you can make significant changes with CF is second to none. 3.) Staff costs. It is easy to take a solid HTMLer and turn them into a solid CF programmer with not a whole lot of training. And it is easy to take a solid CF programmer and turn them into a really good one. 4.) Integration. We deal with all types of internal systems here from MS Exchange servers to 18 year old mainframes running COBOL apps. The fact that it is easy to get CF to talk to all of them is a real plus. 5.) A commercial vendor actually drives the product to be better to beat competitors and win market share, while open source stuff like PHP has a development cycle that tends to follow along rather than lead. oh yeah, and I really liked the old logo. But at the end of the day most dev languages will get you where you want to go. What kills me is when managers (who have no knowledge of the subject) will dictate to developers how to build the solution. That is like asking a builder to come around and build you a deck then telling him what brand of saw and hammer to use. Barry Moore Director of Business Development & E-Commerce Tourism Queensland -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Bowers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 20 January 2004 2:25 PM To: CFAussie Mailing List Subject: [cfaussie] Re: coldfusion Vs. Php Rob, I don't really have time to weigh in on this thread and give it the attention it deserves. However, there is a reason people pay money for ColdFusion. rob shaw wrote: > I have just been in a meeting for an hour listening to people bag > coldfusion... What specifically do they think is wrong with CF: can't be only cost and its future, cos they are useless arguments. > The thing that worries me is that they are professionals..... The > general discussion was that is was going out and the start up costs. CF is cheap. What is the estimated cost of the project?? CF is typically a fraction of the cost of the application and its ongoing maintenance. > Have i learnt a language which that will not exist in 3 years time??? As for the future. CF will deploy on any J2EE appserver. CF is in fact a Sun Certified application. Does J2EE have a future? > Please prove me wrong! I want at least 10 reason's why i should use > coldfusion over php You might have a look at http://www.cffaq.com/ to start your research -- but you really need specific facts to refute rather than some relegious debate over PHP vs CF. Who knows for the project in question PHP might be suitable? -- geoff http://www.daemon.com.au/ --- You are currently subscribed to cfaussie as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MXDU2004 + Macromedia DevCon AsiaPac + Sydney, Australia http://www.mxdu.com/ + 24-25 February, 2004 --- You are currently subscribed to cfaussie as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MXDU2004 + Macromedia DevCon AsiaPac + Sydney, Australia http://www.mxdu.com/ + 24-25 February, 2004
