On Monday 31 August 2009 22:37:57 ray horn wrote:
> This exactly why some people will not use Open Source - because there is no
> end-user support. Shall I abandon Cherokee in favor of Apache just so I can

Excuse me?? Oh, so you think that end-user support should be free isn't it 
that?

> avoid being in this situation ? Shall I code my own web server so I avoid
> being in this situation ? Which alternative works for the rest of you ?!?

Be my guest. Most people collaborating with Cherokee have full-time jobs. Non 
of them get payed to code for Cherokee. If you want to change web servers, be 
my guest. Keep your Apache... oh and please, do install it from trunk and then 
request free end-user support.

> I mean, it was a nice run with Cherokee while it lasted... until I upgraded
> to the latest version and then "poof", up in smoke. 

That's what happens when you update from unstable. If you can't learn the 
difference, then open source isn't for you. Please, go and download IIS and 
wait for the next SP.

> Why is this problem so
> darned difficult for you guys ?!?  Just write some Python code and get the
> problem solved !  This is what I would do were I trying to make people
> believe my software was worth using... that or allow some to feel my work
> is useless by the masses. 

It's not difficult to understand. The one that doesn't gets it is you. Cherokee 
isn't fucking Windows. It's never been and most probably it will never be. 
Cherokee is a high performance web server. That means that it's user base is, 
by definition, highly technical and skilled. It will always be part of a very 
reduced group of people. 

Even though the Cherokee guys do everything in their hand to make it easy to 
use and install, it's, to some extend an experimental piece of software with 
very short development cycles... that has nothing to do with Apache nor 
Windows nor regular commercial applications. 

Your statement clearly indicates you have no clue about open source projects. 
It's easy to say: "Just write some Python code and get the problem solved !" 
but what you don't get is that here no one gets payed for it, priorities are 
full-time jobs, not fixing a marginal error, you should thank developers, not 
piss them off... 

You basically want to sit down and wait until this gets fixed without even 
attempting to aid developers into what might be the issue with your 
installation, that sir, is selfish. And get this, there isn't a fucking PREMIUM 
GOLD support team for Cherokee. Got it? So you either help the people that are 
trying to help you or you go and grab the next shinny open source project. 

> You all have done some wonderful work - you sold
> me on Cherokee - now you are being asked to make your software usable and
> doing so is too extreme for you ?!?

Extreme? Yeah, it's extreme when you don't even attempt to help fixing the 
problem on an UNSTABLE piece of code... so again, not only you don't get open 
source, not only you're a lazy bastard, but you go on and piss everyone that's 
trying to help you... 

Good luck man. 

And after this rant, I'm pretty sure you won't be using Cherokee any more. 
kthxs.

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