I'm sure there are people who are good at both types of tasks: CCIE tasks
and software development tasks. For both jobs, you have to be smart, that's
for sure.
Well, thinking about the work of Howard Gardner, who wrote some terrific
books on multiple intelligences, I would change that. To be a CCIE or
software developer you need logical/mathematical intelligence. Linguistic
intelligence helps but is not required for either. There seems to be a high
correlation between logical/mathematical and musical intelligence. I
suspect that for many support jobs, you need body/kinesthetic intelligence
and spatial intelligence, which many software developers do not have.
At my local high school I help with both hardware and Cisco classes. The
school requires the hardware class before the Cisco classes. A certain set
of students do really well in the hardware class because they have
excellent body and spatial intelligence. They can take apart and rebuild a
computer in seconds. Then they get to the Cisco Academy class and are
expected to read volumes of material on the theory of networking, deal with
obscure subnetting scenarios, learn file-naming conventions for Cisco IOS,
pass a written multiple-choice test every other week (requiring linguistic
intelligence), etc. They spend almost no time building networks. Most of
the students who were stars in the hardware class do terribly in the Cisco
classes. It's sad to see them decide that maybe they aren't good with
computers afterall. I try to build up their egos again, because I think the
Cisco Academy materials are completely wrong for a high school and don't
take into account that the networking field needs people of different types
of intelligence.
That's my $00000001. I'd love to hear those blues, Ole! ;-) I love the blues.
Priscilla
At 09:07 AM 7/19/01, Ole Drews Jensen wrote:
>I hear what you're saying Phil, and agree that these two areas are very
>different. My problem was always the forgetting the time when I was diving
>in thousands lines of codes, and I would suddently look at the clock and
>discover that it was 4 o'clock in the morning.
>
>It doesn't mean however that you can't do both. It's like when I'm playing
>my guitar. Sometimes, I grap my Jackson and play Satriani or Nuno, and at
>other times, I grap my handmade Spanish guitar and play classical music, but
>most often I use my SRV signature stratocaster and play blues.
>
>The fun begins when you're mixing them all together - that's when you start
>playing like Blackmore or Yngwie...
>
>After that being said, I realize that keeping up with new technologies in
>both areas can be tough and very time dependant, but it can be done.
>
>Another 00000010 cents.
>
>Take care,
>
>Ole
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Ole Drews Jensen
> Systems Network Manager
> CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I
> RWR Enterprises, Inc.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> http://www.RouterChief.com
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> NEED A JOB ???
> http://www.oledrews.com/job
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Phil Barker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 4:56 AM
>To: Ole Drews Jensen; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: To CCIE's without a job [7:12805]
>
>
> Ole,
> I think I know where Priscilla is coming from.
>I developed software for 10 years (mainly C/C++)
>before turning to Network Engineering. The difference
>in the roles in my experience has been dramatic.
> Software Engineering requires an intensity of
>concentration that I can only compare to playing
>chess. I was rarely required to interact with
>customers and as a result my interpersonal skills
>didn't develop.
> I took my first job in Networking for a major
>bank. This was very open plan and one day the team
>leader called the regular meeting. Everyone shuffled
>towards the meeting room EXCEPT me. 45 mins later my
>team leader came looking for me. I was still at my
>desk, deep in concentration. She couldn't stop
>laughing as everyone else was taking bets as to when I
>would realise that no-one else was there. I hadn't
>noticed a thing.
> Customer interaction has also been a learning
>curve but fortunately I appear to have picked this
>skill up quite naturally.
> I am much happier in my work now and don't intend
>to return to Software Development. Both Software
>development and Network Engineering are such wide and
>diverse fields you cannot possibly keep up with both.
> I havn't written Software for 5 years now and
>while the logical skill required to do so will never
>leave me the Microsoft Foundation Clases certainly
>have.
>
>Regards,
>
>Phil.
>--- Ole Drews Jensen wrote: >
>I don't agree with your Priscilla.
> >
> > Again, I am not a CCIE yet, but I'm on my way. I
> > like doing both things (and
> > system administration), but then again - maybe I
> > have a split personality
> > 8^O
> >
> > I agree with you about not finding many with this
> > skill, but hopefully I
> > will become one soon.
> >
> > Take care,
> >
> > Ole
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Ole Drews Jensen
> > Systems Network Manager
> > CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I
> > RWR Enterprises, Inc.
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > http://www.OleDrews.com/CCNP
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > NEED A JOB ???
> > http://www.oledrews.com/job
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Priscilla Oppenheimer
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:52 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: To CCIE's without a job [7:12805]
> >
> >
> > That's a scary thought: CCIEs who develop protocols.
> > ;-]
> >
> > They are looking for software engineers. They aren't
> > going to find many
> > that have a CCIE? It's a different skill set and
> > requires a different type
> > of personality.
> >
> > Priscilla
> >
> > At 09:41 AM 7/18/01, Ole Drews Jensen wrote:
> > >Forgive me for sending this here, I know there's a
> > place for job
> > >discussions, but I noticed that there have been
> > several e-mails about how
> > >CCIE's now have a harder time getting jobs.
> > >
> > >I received this e-mail (look at the message
> > included after my signature) on
> > >another Cisco list I'm a member of:
> > >
> > >Hth,
> > >
> > >Ole
> > >
> > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > Ole Drews Jensen
> > > Systems Network Manager
> > > CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I
> > > RWR Enterprises, Inc.
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > http://www.OleDrews.com/CCNP
> > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > NEED A JOB ???
> > > http://www.oledrews.com/job
> > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >
> > >Message: 1
> > >Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:11:26 -0000
> > >From: "JDO" >
> > >Subject: Looking for a Special Kind of CCIE
> > >
> > >Hello,
> > >
> > >My name is Johnna Smith and I work for a placement
> > firm in Dallas,
> > >Texas. I am in desperate need of a CCIE that
> > DEVELOPS routing
> > >protocols. I need them to have BGP, DSPF, IS-IS,
> > and MPLS. The must
> > >be a software engineer and they must be degreed.
> > >
> > >If any of you could help me, please give me a call
> > or shoot me an
> > >email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or at
> > >972-991-7569.
> > >
> > >Just to take a look at someof our other positions
> > please go to
> > >
> > >
> > >We also work with another agency that focuese more
> > on IT, you can
> > >find their site at
> > >
> > >Thanks
> > >
> > >Johnna
> > ________________________
> >
> > Priscilla Oppenheimer
> > http://www.priscilla.com
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