>My definition of Software Engineer is someone with an engineering degree and
>also does software engineering. A Developer/Coder just write code base on
>the engineering requirements and doesn't require a degree.
>
>my two cents,
>
>mark,
Well, I don't have a degree -- admittedly, more formal publications
than many faculty -- and I'll match my network software engineering
against anyone. I freely admit that I probably have gone through a
pretty good equivalent of a formal computer science curriculum by
self-study. Admittedly, it's been 10 years or so since I did
significant coding -- but I still read code, write the requirements,
and occasionally tell the developers where to modify the code.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Howard C. Berkowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:17 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: To CCIE's without a job [7:12805]
>
>
>>That's a scary thought: CCIEs who develop protocols. ;-]
>
>I know very few respected protocol or platform designers that ever
>mentioned having a CCIE. On the other hand, it only occasionally
>comes up that one has a PhD, which isn't always in a relevant
>discipline. I'm amused by the degree requirement--I could see an
>argument for a master's or doctorate, but the undergraduate computer
>science program gets into relatively little you need to know to
>design and implement protocols, other than as a coder.
>
>Personally, I'm a much better developer than I am a support person.
>There's overlap between the skills of product/protocol design and
>large network design, but much less with troubleshooting.
>
>Even quality testing is a somewhat different skill set than
>troubleshooting. For example, has anyone seen a Cisco exam that
>explored the differences among conformance, interoperability, and
>performance testing? The difference between a correct but boundary
>condition event, a syntactically incorrect event, and an inopportune
>event?
>
>>
>>They are looking for software engineers. They aren't going to find many
>>that have a CCIE? It's a different skill set and requires a different type
>>of personality.
>>
>>Priscilla
>>
>>At 09:41 AM 7/18/01, Ole Drews Jensen wrote:
>>>Forgive me for sending this here, I know there's a place for job
>>>discussions, but I noticed that there have been several e-mails about how
>>>CCIE's now have a harder time getting jobs.
>>>
>>>I received this e-mail (look at the message included after my signature)
>on
>>>another Cisco list I'm a member of:
>>>
>>>Hth,
>>>
>>>Ole
>>>
>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> Ole Drews Jensen
>>> Systems Network Manager
>>> CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I
>>> RWR Enterprises, Inc.
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> http://www.OleDrews.com/CCNP
>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> NEED A JOB ???
>>> http://www.oledrews.com/job
>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>>Message: 1
>>>Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:11:26 -0000
>>>From: "JDO" >
>>>Subject: Looking for a Special Kind of CCIE
>>>
>>>Hello,
>>>
>>>My name is Johnna Smith and I work for a placement firm in Dallas,
>>>Texas. I am in desperate need of a CCIE that DEVELOPS routing
>>>protocols. I need them to have BGP, DSPF, IS-IS, and MPLS. The must
>>>be a software engineer and they must be degreed.
>>>
>>>If any of you could help me, please give me a call or shoot me an
>>>email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or at
>>>972-991-7569.
>>>
>>>Just to take a look at someof our other positions please go to
>>>
>>>
>>>We also work with another agency that focuese more on IT, you can
>>>find their site at
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>
>> >Johnna
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