The funny thing is when you combine Music, Programming and Mathematics.
I made a Guitar Pascal Unit years ago, and had to figure out the formel for
how much a frequency changes when you move up one fret on the guitar. Well,
since you have to move twelve frets to reach the next octave, and a higher
octave is the double frequency of the lower, the calculation is Frequency *
2^(1/12).
If you take 440 (A) and multiply it with 2^(1/12) twelve times, you have 880
(also A) :-)
As for book recommendations - I don't know, but try and search for
programming and networking together on Amazon.com.
And no, I have not tried to connect my guitar to my routers yet, but I can
imagine some cool effects with Split Horizon and Load Balancing...
Hth,
Ole
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Ole Drews Jensen
Systems Network Manager
CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I
RWR Enterprises, Inc.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Cisco KIdd78 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 1:10 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: To CCIE's without a job [7:12805]
I agree with what you said about music and math being correlated, because I
play an instrument and math has always come easy to me ( I know that this is
not evidence enough for a theory like that, but, it works for me ).
My question is what is the best way to get into network software
engineering? What books should I read? What courses are most relevant in
the undergraduate curriculum? I am trying to complete my computer science
degree now and I am one test away from a CCNP. I like networking but I also
like programming. I find it hard to commit to one, so I figured I might as
well combine the two. So I need some advice on how to enter the market for
network software engineering? My guess is I will I have to read all of
Richard Steven's books.....
Thanks
Paul
>From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer"
>Reply-To: "Priscilla Oppenheimer"
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: To CCIE's without a job [7:12805]
>Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:37:52 -0400
>
>I'm sure there are people who are good at both types of tasks: CCIE tasks
>and software development tasks. For both jobs, you have to be smart, that's
>for sure.
>
>Well, thinking about the work of Howard Gardner, who wrote some terrific
>books on multiple intelligences, I would change that. To be a CCIE or
>software developer you need logical/mathematical intelligence. Linguistic
>intelligence helps but is not required for either. There seems to be a high
>correlation between logical/mathematical and musical intelligence. I
>suspect that for many support jobs, you need body/kinesthetic intelligence
>and spatial intelligence, which many software developers do not have.
>
>At my local high school I help with both hardware and Cisco classes. The
>school requires the hardware class before the Cisco classes. A certain set
>of students do really well in the hardware class because they have
>excellent body and spatial intelligence. They can take apart and rebuild a
>computer in seconds. Then they get to the Cisco Academy class and are
>expected to read volumes of material on the theory of networking, deal with
>obscure subnetting scenarios, learn file-naming conventions for Cisco IOS,
>pass a written multiple-choice test every other week (requiring linguistic
>intelligence), etc. They spend almost no time building networks. Most of
>the students who were stars in the hardware class do terribly in the Cisco
>classes. It's sad to see them decide that maybe they aren't good with
>computers afterall. I try to build up their egos again, because I think the
>Cisco Academy materials are completely wrong for a high school and don't
>take into account that the networking field needs people of different types
>of intelligence.
>
>That's my $00000001. I'd love to hear those blues, Ole! ;-) I love the
>blues.
>
>Priscilla
>
>At 09:07 AM 7/19/01, Ole Drews Jensen wrote:
> >I hear what you're saying Phil, and agree that these two areas are very
> >different. My problem was always the forgetting the time when I was
>diving
> >in thousands lines of codes, and I would suddently look at the clock and
> >discover that it was 4 o'clock in the morning.
> >
> >It doesn't mean however that you can't do both. It's like when I'm
>playing
> >my guitar. Sometimes, I grap my Jackson and play Satriani or Nuno, and at
> >other times, I grap my handmade Spanish guitar and play classical music,
>but
> >most often I use my SRV signature stratocaster and play blues.
> >
> >The fun begins when you're mixing them all together - that's when you
>start
> >playing like Blackmore or Yngwie...
> >
> >After that being said, I realize that keeping up with new technologies in
> >both areas can be tough and very time dependant, but it can be done.
> >
> >Another 00000010 cents.
> >
> >Take care,
> >
> >Ole
> >
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Ole Drews Jensen
> > Systems Network Manager
> > CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I
> > RWR Enterprises, Inc.
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > http://www.RouterChief.com
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > NEED A JOB ???
> > http://www.oledrews.com/job
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Phil Barker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 4:56 AM
> >To: Ole Drews Jensen; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: RE: To CCIE's without a job [7:12805]
> >
> >
> > Ole,
> > I think I know where Priscilla is coming from.
> >I developed software for 10 years (mainly C/C++)
> >before turning to Network Engineering. The difference
> >in the roles in my experience has been dramatic.
> > Software Engineering requires an intensity of
> >concentration that I can only compare to playing
> >chess. I was rarely required to interact with
> >customers and as a result my interpersonal skills
> >didn't develop.
> > I took my first job in Networking for a major
> >bank. This was very open plan and one day the team
> >leader called the regular meeting. Everyone shuffled
> >towards the meeting room EXCEPT me. 45 mins later my
> >team leader came looking for me. I was still at my
> >desk, deep in concentration. She couldn't stop
> >laughing as everyone else was taking bets as to when I
> >would realise that no-one else was there. I hadn't
> >noticed a thing.
> > Customer interaction has also been a learning
> >curve but fortunately I appear to have picked this
> >skill up quite naturally.
> > I am much happier in my work now and don't intend
> >to return to Software Development. Both Software
> >development and Network Engineering are such wide and
> >diverse fields you cannot possibly keep up with both.
> > I havn't written Software for 5 years now and
> >while the logical skill required to do so will never
> >leave me the Microsoft Foundation Clases certainly
> >have.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Phil.
> >--- Ole Drews Jensen wrote: >
> >I don't agree with your Priscilla.
> > >
> > > Again, I am not a CCIE yet, but I'm on my way. I
> > > like doing both things (and
> > > system administration), but then again - maybe I
> > > have a split personality
> > > 8^O
> > >
> > > I agree with you about not finding many with this
> > > skill, but hopefully I
> > > will become one soon.
> > >
> > > Take care,
> > >
> > > Ole
> > >
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > Ole Drews Jensen
> > > Systems Network Manager
> > > CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I
> > > RWR Enterprises, Inc.
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > http://www.OleDrews.com/CCNP
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > NEED A JOB ???
> > > http://www.oledrews.com/job
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Priscilla Oppenheimer
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:52 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: To CCIE's without a job [7:12805]
> > >
> > >
> > > That's a scary thought: CCIEs who develop protocols.
> > > ;-]
> > >
> > > They are looking for software engineers. They aren't
> > > going to find many
> > > that have a CCIE? It's a different skill set and
> > > requires a different type
> > > of personality.
> > >
> > > Priscilla
> > >
> > > At 09:41 AM 7/18/01, Ole Drews Jensen wrote:
> > > >Forgive me for sending this here, I know there's a
> > > place for job
> > > >discussions, but I noticed that there have been
> > > several e-mails about how
> > > >CCIE's now have a harder time getting jobs.
> > > >
> > > >I received this e-mail (look at the message
> > > included after my signature) on
> > > >another Cisco list I'm a member of:
> > > >
> > > >Hth,
> > > >
> > > >Ole
> > > >
> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > Ole Drews Jensen
> > > > Systems Network Manager
> > > > CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I
> > > > RWR Enterprises, Inc.
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > http://www.OleDrews.com/CCNP
> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > NEED A JOB ???
> > > > http://www.oledrews.com/job
> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > >
> > > >Message: 1
> > > >Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:11:26 -0000
> > > >From: "JDO" >
> > > >Subject: Looking for a Special Kind of CCIE
> > > >
> > > >Hello,
> > > >
> > > >My name is Johnna Smith and I work for a placement
> > > firm in Dallas,
> > > >Texas. I am in desperate need of a CCIE that
> > > DEVELOPS routing
> > > >protocols. I need them to have BGP, DSPF, IS-IS,
> > > and MPLS. The must
> > > >be a software engineer and they must be degreed.
> > > >
> > > >If any of you could help me, please give me a call
> > > or shoot me an
> > > >email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or at
> > > >972-991-7569.
> > > >
> > > >Just to take a look at someof our other positions
> > > please go to
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >We also work with another agency that focuese more
> > > on IT, you can
> > > >find their site at
> > > >
> > > >Thanks
> > > >
> > > >Johnna
> > > ________________________
> > >
> > > Priscilla Oppenheimer
> > > http://www.priscilla.com
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
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