Hehe..the guitar on the router thing made me remember a site someone sent me
to once. It would take you IP address and something about current traffic
from you & all sorts of other unknown variables would generate a song. And
man did mine suck! rofl.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ole Drews Jensen"
To:
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 1:54 PM
Subject: RE: To CCIE's without a job [7:12805]
> The funny thing is when you combine Music, Programming and Mathematics.
>
> I made a Guitar Pascal Unit years ago, and had to figure out the formel
for
> how much a frequency changes when you move up one fret on the guitar.
Well,
> since you have to move twelve frets to reach the next octave, and a higher
> octave is the double frequency of the lower, the calculation is Frequency
*
> 2^(1/12).
>
> If you take 440 (A) and multiply it with 2^(1/12) twelve times, you have
880
> (also A) :-)
>
> As for book recommendations - I don't know, but try and search for
> programming and networking together on Amazon.com.
>
> And no, I have not tried to connect my guitar to my routers yet, but I can
> imagine some cool effects with Split Horizon and Load Balancing...
>
> Hth,
>
> Ole
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Ole Drews Jensen
> Systems Network Manager
> CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I
> RWR Enterprises, Inc.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> http://www.RouterChief.com
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cisco KIdd78 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 1:10 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: To CCIE's without a job [7:12805]
>
>
> I agree with what you said about music and math being correlated, because
I
> play an instrument and math has always come easy to me ( I know that this
is
>
> not evidence enough for a theory like that, but, it works for me ).
>
> My question is what is the best way to get into network software
> engineering? What books should I read? What courses are most relevant
in
> the undergraduate curriculum? I am trying to complete my computer science
> degree now and I am one test away from a CCNP. I like networking but I
also
>
> like programming. I find it hard to commit to one, so I figured I might
as
> well combine the two. So I need some advice on how to enter the market
for
> network software engineering? My guess is I will I have to read all of
> Richard Steven's books.....
>
> Thanks
> Paul
>
>
> >From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer"
> >Reply-To: "Priscilla Oppenheimer"
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: RE: To CCIE's without a job [7:12805]
> >Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:37:52 -0400
> >
> >I'm sure there are people who are good at both types of tasks: CCIE tasks
> >and software development tasks. For both jobs, you have to be smart,
that's
> >for sure.
> >
> >Well, thinking about the work of Howard Gardner, who wrote some terrific
> >books on multiple intelligences, I would change that. To be a CCIE or
> >software developer you need logical/mathematical intelligence. Linguistic
> >intelligence helps but is not required for either. There seems to be a
high
> >correlation between logical/mathematical and musical intelligence. I
> >suspect that for many support jobs, you need body/kinesthetic
intelligence
> >and spatial intelligence, which many software developers do not have.
> >
> >At my local high school I help with both hardware and Cisco classes. The
> >school requires the hardware class before the Cisco classes. A certain
set
> >of students do really well in the hardware class because they have
> >excellent body and spatial intelligence. They can take apart and rebuild
a
> >computer in seconds. Then they get to the Cisco Academy class and are
> >expected to read volumes of material on the theory of networking, deal
with
> >obscure subnetting scenarios, learn file-naming conventions for Cisco
IOS,
> >pass a written multiple-choice test every other week (requiring
linguistic
> >intelligence), etc. They spend almost no time building networks. Most of
> >the students who were stars in the hardware class do terribly in the
Cisco
> >classes. It's sad to see them decide that maybe they aren't good with
> >computers afterall. I try to build up their egos again, because I think
the
> >Cisco Academy materials are completely wrong for a high school and don't
> >take into account that the networking field needs people of different
types
> >of intelligence.
> >
> >That's my $00000001. I'd love to hear those blues, Ole! ;-) I love the
> >blues.
> >
> >Priscilla
> >
> >At 09:07 AM 7/19/01, Ole Drews Jensen wrote:
> > >I hear what you're saying Phil, and agree that these two areas are very
> > >different. My problem was always the forgetting the time when I was
> >diving
> > >in thousands lines of codes, and I would suddently look at the clock
and
> > >discover that it was 4 o'clock in the morning.
> > >
> > >It doesn't mean however that you can't do both. It's like when I'm
> >playing
> > >my guitar. Sometimes, I grap my Jackson and play Satriani or Nuno, and
at
> > >other times, I grap my handmade Spanish guitar and play classical
music,
> >but
> > >most often I use my SRV signature stratocaster and play blues.
> > >
> > >The fun begins when you're mixing them all together - that's when you
> >start
> > >playing like Blackmore or Yngwie...
> > >
> > >After that being said, I realize that keeping up with new technologies
in
> > >both areas can be tough and very time dependant, but it can be done.
> > >
> > >Another 00000010 cents.
> > >
> > >Take care,
> > >
> > >Ole
> > >
> > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > Ole Drews Jensen
> > > Systems Network Manager
> > > CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I
> > > RWR Enterprises, Inc.
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > http://www.RouterChief.com
> > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > NEED A JOB ???
> > > http://www.oledrews.com/job
> > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Phil Barker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > >Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 4:56 AM
> > >To: Ole Drews Jensen; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: RE: To CCIE's without a job [7:12805]
> > >
> > >
> > > Ole,
> > > I think I know where Priscilla is coming from.
> > >I developed software for 10 years (mainly C/C++)
> > >before turning to Network Engineering. The difference
> > >in the roles in my experience has been dramatic.
> > > Software Engineering requires an intensity of
> > >concentration that I can only compare to playing
> > >chess. I was rarely required to interact with
> > >customers and as a result my interpersonal skills
> > >didn't develop.
> > > I took my first job in Networking for a major
> > >bank. This was very open plan and one day the team
> > >leader called the regular meeting. Everyone shuffled
> > >towards the meeting room EXCEPT me. 45 mins later my
> > >team leader came looking for me. I was still at my
> > >desk, deep in concentration. She couldn't stop
> > >laughing as everyone else was taking bets as to when I
> > >would realise that no-one else was there. I hadn't
> > >noticed a thing.
> > > Customer interaction has also been a learning
> > >curve but fortunately I appear to have picked this
> > >skill up quite naturally.
> > > I am much happier in my work now and don't intend
> > >to return to Software Development. Both Software
> > >development and Network Engineering are such wide and
> > >diverse fields you cannot possibly keep up with both.
> > > I havn't written Software for 5 years now and
> > >while the logical skill required to do so will never
> > >leave me the Microsoft Foundation Clases certainly
> > >have.
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >
> > >Phil.
> > >--- Ole Drews Jensen wrote: >
> > >I don't agree with your Priscilla.
> > > >
> > > > Again, I am not a CCIE yet, but I'm on my way. I
> > > > like doing both things (and
> > > > system administration), but then again - maybe I
> > > > have a split personality
> > > > 8^O
> > > >
> > > > I agree with you about not finding many with this
> > > > skill, but hopefully I
> > > > will become one soon.
> > > >
> > > > Take care,
> > > >
> > > > Ole
> > > >
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > Ole Drews Jensen
> > > > Systems Network Manager
> > > > CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I
> > > > RWR Enterprises, Inc.
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > http://www.OleDrews.com/CCNP
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > NEED A JOB ???
> > > > http://www.oledrews.com/job
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Priscilla Oppenheimer
> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:52 PM
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: Re: To CCIE's without a job [7:12805]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That's a scary thought: CCIEs who develop protocols.
> > > > ;-]
> > > >
> > > > They are looking for software engineers. They aren't
> > > > going to find many
> > > > that have a CCIE? It's a different skill set and
> > > > requires a different type
> > > > of personality.
> > > >
> > > > Priscilla
> > > >
> > > > At 09:41 AM 7/18/01, Ole Drews Jensen wrote:
> > > > >Forgive me for sending this here, I know there's a
> > > > place for job
> > > > >discussions, but I noticed that there have been
> > > > several e-mails about how
> > > > >CCIE's now have a harder time getting jobs.
> > > > >
> > > > >I received this e-mail (look at the message
> > > > included after my signature) on
> > > > >another Cisco list I'm a member of:
> > > > >
> > > > >Hth,
> > > > >
> > > > >Ole
> > > > >
> > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > > Ole Drews Jensen
> > > > > Systems Network Manager
> > > > > CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I
> > > > > RWR Enterprises, Inc.
> > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > > http://www.OleDrews.com/CCNP
> > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > > NEED A JOB ???
> > > > > http://www.oledrews.com/job
> > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > >
> > > > >Message: 1
> > > > >Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:11:26 -0000
> > > > >From: "JDO" >
> > > > >Subject: Looking for a Special Kind of CCIE
> > > > >
> > > > >Hello,
> > > > >
> > > > >My name is Johnna Smith and I work for a placement
> > > > firm in Dallas,
> > > > >Texas. I am in desperate need of a CCIE that
> > > > DEVELOPS routing
> > > > >protocols. I need them to have BGP, DSPF, IS-IS,
> > > > and MPLS. The must
> > > > >be a software engineer and they must be degreed.
> > > > >
> > > > >If any of you could help me, please give me a call
> > > > or shoot me an
> > > > >email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or at
> > > > >972-991-7569.
> > > > >
> > > > >Just to take a look at someof our other positions
> > > > please go to
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >We also work with another agency that focuese more
> > > > on IT, you can
> > > > >find their site at
> > > > >
> > > > >Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > >Johnna
> > > > ________________________
> > > >
> > > > Priscilla Oppenheimer
> > > > http://www.priscilla.com
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
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