For the influence of ancestors when there are no matching ones, you start at
the parents and divide. Each parent is 50%, each grandparent is  25%, each
grt grandparent is 12.5% and so on, with each following generation being one
half of the one before it. Please remember that this is just a formula and
real life may be very different.

It is possible for a parent to give more genes that came from one of the
grandparents than the other. Think of it as the proverbial bowl of black and
white marbles. If a parent gets 50 black from their sire and 50 white from
their dam, the 50 that the parent gives to an offspring may be any
combination of blacks and whites from all white to all black ( this would
not be the most frequent, but could happen. I suspect that the most frequent
would be to have the genes tilted slightly in favor of one grandparent or
the other). Formulas are helpful, but we must always remember that life
isn't that easy and neither is genetics.

I do use the inbreeding coefficients when planning litters. The CompuPed
function seems to be the most accurate in figuring inbreeding. The more
inbreeding that has been done in a 10 generation pedigree, the more likely
that genes coming from that distant ancestor that is linebred on will show
up in the descendant. You can have a pedigree that looks outcrossed until
you get to the fourth generation and then find that it was intensely
linebred.

All the best,
Susan Cochran



----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosanne Cleveland-King" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 9:23 AM
Subject: [CKCS-L] Genetic influence


I was having a conversation with another breeder yesterday, and can't
remember what influence a great grandparent, or great great, has on a litter
of puppies.  Do I remember correctly that it is 1/16?  Of course, it would
be different if that were doubled up.
If nothing in the pedigree matches for four generations or more, could
matching "names" have an influence at that point?
Yes, I have the books, but don't have time to look at the moment.  I know we
have several people on the list that are really great with genetics.
Thank you in advance,
Rosanne








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