Max I don't know if you are familiar with the UK system for becoming a Champion? The dog /bitch has to gain 3 Challenge Certificates - one of those CCs has to be from an adult class - that is the dog has to be over 12 months old. Therefore it wouldn't matter if the dog won three CCs as a puppy it could not be a champion until it had won a fourth As for the judge signing a certificate, here everytime a judge awards a Challenge certificate he/she signs a Certificate that is given to the exhibitor saying that in their opinion (the judge's) the dog is worthy of becoming a Champion. This is part of KC rules and takes a couple of minutes once judging has completed
Annette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max & Maureen Mayling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 5:13 AM Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Pro's > This must be a first......hubby cross-posting to wife. > > I agree completely with Maureen's position on "Pro's"; however, I feel that > there is another avenue which could be considered to "level the playing > field" between "Pro's" and owner/handlers....and between those who have a > truly excellent dog and those who can afford to employ a "Pro" to finish a > not-so-good-dog. > > 1. No dog may be awarded it's championship until age 18 months; however, it > may win enough points to do so, subject to the following.. > > 2. Having achieved sufficient points to be recognized as a champion, the dog > must be "benched" and examined by three breed (or group?) certified judges. > > - these three (or, a minimum two?) judges must certify, in writing (by > their signatures on a document), that the dog meets the breed (Cavalier) > standards for confirmation and is a good (excellent?) example of the breed. > > - this certification cannot take place until after the dog is 18 months > of age. > > By following this protocol, those who own a "not-so-good" Cavalier may think > twice..or several times...before hiring a professional handler, simply to > finish the dog. If their dog must be benched and examined by a panel of > judges as to whether it is of championship calibre, they will in all > likelihood, NOT BOTHER. > > The down-side, of course (and there are always down-sides) is the resistance > of the Judges to put their signatures to a confirmation document as to > whether a dog is of championship calibre. There is also the question as to > whether judges will accept this additional duty "gratis". > > Well......any judge worth his/her reputation should have no difficulty > signing a document attesting as to his/her opinion. Second (as to the > financial aspects) a Confirmation Show could simply charge a "benching fee" > ($5.00? $10.00?) to any and all who wish a panel of judges to certify that > their dog(s) are: 1. of champion calibre:and, 2. as to whether their dog(s) > are within breed standards. > > Having said all this, I would now call upon those who have influence with > the CKC, AKC and CKCSC (Canadian and American National Clubs) to really > approach the problem of Pro-leaning judges to make their determinations on > the basis of the quality of the dog.......not who is at the end of the > lease. It is, after all, a regulatory problem. > > Max Mayling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Max & Maureen Mayling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 12:09 PM > Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Pro's > > > > I am not the best handler in the world but do show my own dogs and yes > have > > placed over the professionals. > > > > I suggest that owner handlers do what I did when I first started and still > > do. Get behind one of these handlers and copy their technique. Watch the > > other breeds where professional handlers are showing and learn. Watch the > > handlers groom the dogs. Many pros will be glad to go over your dog and > tell > > you what are the best points and what are to weak points of your dog. > > > > Here in Canada IMHO the reality is that professional handlers both > Canadian > > and American are here to stay in this breed and within the next few years, > > unless you are a very good handler, you will not be able to finish a dog > > unless you use a professional handler. 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