That doesn't make a difference with this problem :) Here is the link to the memtest program everyone is recommending.... http://www.memtest86.com
I have used it a lot and would highly recommend it. However, just because it tells you there are errors doesn't mean the memory is bad. And just because it tells you there are no errors doesn't mean the memory is good :) I know that sounds dumb, but it's true. Computers is not an exact science.... especially when it comes to testing errors in memory :) If the program tells you there are errors, it could be bad memory but it could also just be incompatible with the motherboard. In this case bad memory would be the safe assumption over incompatibles as the computer was a "package" from Dell. Cheers, Trevor Pat Roche said: > Actually, my dual boot is with Windows 2000 Pro, not XP. If that makes > any difference?). > Pat > > On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 18:20, Garth Meisel wrote: >> And then, haven't wanted to do it for a while, but it used to be that >> XP needed to be installed before Linux so that means both OS's need >> to be reinstalled because XP will wipe the HD no matter what. Right? >> So obviously a time saver to make sure that APIC is set and if it >> is, well, it's just that simple. >> >> >> >> On Monday 03 February 2003 19:18, you wrote: >> > Simply switching from APIC to XPIC is enough. Linux will be fine, >> XP will complain. >> > >> > On Sunday 02 February 2003 19:10, you wrote: >> > > Pat, I dont recall if there was a section in the BIOS for >> > > enabling/disabling APIC, but I would give that a try. Reboot, go >> into BIOS and see if it can be disabled. Given that you are having >> problems in both Linux and Win, it is almost certainly some sort >> of hardware or conflict issue. At this point, also considering the >> suggestions from the CLUG I would guess that the problem could be >> one or more of >> > > >> > > 1: APIC related (try to disable in BIOS). >> > > >> > > If it cant be disabled in BIOS maybe someone on the list can >> suggest how/if drivers/modules for APIC can be disabled in Linux. >> Not sure if this would fix and APIC related problem though. >> > > >> > > 2: Conflict due to having to run both video cards due to an >> inability to disable in bios. >> > > >> > > 3: Memory related problem. I beleive there are a number of tools >> you can run to exersize you ram to check for problems. >> > > >> > > >> > > <hr> >> > > <b><font color=blue size=4>Open Enterprise Solutions</font></b> >> <b><font color=red>Linux & Open Source Solutions for >> Business</font></b> >> > > >> > > Johnny Stork, BA >> > > Calgary, AB >> > > Canada >> > > >> > > <a href="http://www.openenterprise.ca";> >> > > www.openenterprise.ca</a> >> > > >> > > ------ original message ------ >> > > From: Pat Roche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > To: CLUG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > Sent: Sun Feb 02 16:49:44 PST 2003 >> > > Subject: Re: (clug-talk) (RH8-Dell D. 2350) crashes >> > > >> > > Thanks, Szemir. Here's what I get from df: >> > > <br> >> > > <br>Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% >> Mounted on <br>/dev/hda9 21164916 4287636 15802132 >> 22% / <br>/dev/hda8 101089 17303 78567 19% >> /boot <br>none 256456 0 256456 0% >> /dev/shm <br>/dev/hda6 10231392 106896 10124496 >> 2% >> > > /home/pat/Data <br> >> > > <br>I apologize for my lack of Linux knowledge (ie, command-line >> ignorance) <br>-- but I don't even know how to check >> var/log/messages. <br> >> > > <br>For what it's worth, I don't get any error messages booting up >> when RH8 <br>goes through a long checklist. >> > > <br> >> > > <br>Pat >> > > <br> >> > > <br>Pat >> > > <br> >> > > <br>On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 17:08, Bogi wrote: >> > > <br>> Hi Pat. >> > > <br>> The crashing rate is above avarage for sure. >> > > <br>> I would suggest the following barring faulty ram and or >> faulty hdd. <br>> See if you have enough diskspace, browsers tend >> to use up (large) amounts of <br>> diskspace to cache webstuff you >> access. >> > > <br>> df command should do the trick, If your home partition , if >> you have one <br>> seperate, and you should, must have atleast 100 >> megs free, mozilla for <br>> starters defaults to 50 megs for >> chache size, the others are not mutch <br>> different. >> > > <br>> If you have a single partition for your home and root (/) , >> the exhustion of <br>> disk space could lead to unpredictabel >> behaviour (crash) when (/) gets full. <br>> also check >> /var/log/messages . This is the (main) logfile, see if there are >> <br>> any error messages, they are usually very helpful in >> situations like yours. <br>> Changing your hardware would most >> definately improve on the situation. Most <br>> of the (built-in) >> cards are slightly different then their stand-alone <br>> >> counterparts, and not being able to turn-off / diable yours is >> cairtinly a <br>> very strong indication of your problems. >> > > <br>> So my initial suggestion is a log reading, find some error >> messagegs relating <br>> to graphics_display_adapter or anything >> else. I have seen really strange <br>> behaviour from motherboards >> like yours. <br>> Cheers >> > > <br>> Szemir >> > > <br>> On Sunday 02 February 2003 16:42, you wrote: >> > > <br>> > I've been using Red Hat 8.0 on a Dell Dimension 2350 (2GH >> Celeron / <br>> > 512MB RAM) since early January. Bottom-line >> impression: I love Linux. <br>> > >> > > <br>> > But there's one problem I'd love to resolve. Linux has >> crashed while <br>> > surfing the Web, on average, at least every >> two hours (during at least <br>> > 50 hours total browsing). >> > > <br>> > >> > > <br>> > Konqueror seems more stable than Galeon and Opera, and all >> seem somewhat <br>> > more stable than Mozilla. There's little >> consistency. Mozilla, for <br>> > example, crashed on the third >> page I accessed today (Yahoo News); but <br>> > when I rebooted I >> surfed that page and many others for more than an hour <br>> > >> without hanging. >> > > <br>> > >> > > <br>> > Meanwhile, I've worked more than 40 hours in OpenOffice >> Writer and can <br>> > only recall it hanging once. Evolution >> rarely hangs and the CD player <br>> > (kscd) hasn't crashed yet >> > > <br>> > >> > > <br>> > To compare OSes on the same machine, I've spent about 15 >> hours surfing <br>> > in Windows 2000 (using Opera, Internet >> Explorer and Phoenix) and had <br>> > only two crashes -- a much >> better average than Linux. In each OS, <br>> > control-alt-delete >> won't force a reboot after a crash. >> > > <br>> > >> > > <br>> > I usually work in KDE, but didn't document any improvement >> during about <br>> > four hours in GNOME (on Mozilla, Opera, >> Galeon and Konqueror). <br>> > >> > > <br>> > Another quirk in Linux: the hard drive sometimes runs for >> three minutes <br>> > for no reason. >> > > <br>> > >> > > <br>> > Also, Evolution is very slow (maybe 10 seconds) opening >> HTML e-mails. Is <br>> > this normal, or possibly related to my >> Web-browsing problem? <br>> > >> > > <br>> > BACKGROUND: Inside the Dell box, there are NO CARDS. >> Everything -- video <br>> > controller, network controller, etc. >> -- is embedded in the motherboard. <br>> > (Luckily there were >> three empty slots.) The video controller -- which <br>> > wouldn't >> work with Linux -- could NEITHER BE REMOVED NOR DISABLED. <br>> > >> > > <br>> > As a non-technical person, I was in over my head long >> before this point. <br>> > I'm much obliged to CLUG member Johnny >> Stork for coming up with the <br>> > various workarounds that >> enabled me to use Linux my new computer. (I <br>> > just wish I'd >> talked to him before buying the Dell.) <br>> > >> > > <br>> > The workaround Johnny came up for the video controller was >> to set up a <br>> > dual-monitor system and to designate the new >> video card (HIS TNT2 M64 <br>> > PCI) as primary and the built-in >> video controller as secondary. (So the <br>> > original controller >> which couldn't be disabled is now outputting to a <br>> > >> non-existent monitor.) >> > > <br>> > >> > > <br>> > Does anyone have any suggestions? Do I have any options >> beyond selling <br>> > the new $800 Dell at a discount to my >> brother-in-law (who prefers XP) <br>> > and starting from scratch >> on another new computer?? <br>> > >> > > <br>> > Any comments or anecdotes (e.g., your own experience with >> bundled, <br>> > brand-name systems, both positive and negative) >> will be much <br>> > appreciated. >> > > <br>> > >> > > <br>> > Thanks for reading. Sorry it's so long. >> > > <br>> > >> > > <br>> > Pat >> > > <br> >> > > <br> >> > > <br> >> > > <br> >> > > >> > > --------------------------------------------------- >> > > The Webtop Personal Web-based Email System >> > > http://www.yourwebtop.com >>
