On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 09:15:25AM -0600, Jarrod Major wrote:
> > First, I appreciate being "kept in the loop" - this shows some good 
> > leadership... (er, how many brownie points for that one?)
> 
> To be honest that was Kari keeping us on the straight-and-narrow. You are welcome.

Guess it doesn't really matter *who* earned the brownie points -- more that we were 
kept in
the loop is all that matters.

> > Second, I think SAIT should have an opportunity to counter offer, but if they 
> > don't respond in a timely manner they will have effectively said we aren't 
> > worthy of a counter offer / decision.  Do they know we have an opportunity to 
> > meet elsewhere?  Do they view the group as a good PR type thing, or a 
> > necessary evil to keep students/instructors happy and/or utilize otherwise 
> > dead space?  Basically, do they feel they get something in return?  If not, 
> > then I don't think we'll ever have a stable situation with them.
> 
> SAIT have been given the opportunity to counter-offer, no word yet. No they are not 
> aware of the DeVry offer. Officially we have been flying under the radar. The 
> officials at SAIT aren't even aware that we have been meeting there. I know we have 
> had a number of SAIT students and a few instructors show up to meetings I hope that 
> they will stay with us if we move. Stability is certainly an issue with SAIT as it 
> stands now.

As another option, has anyone considered approaching the University of Calgary on this 
issue?
Granted, the campus is much larger than SAIT or DeVry, but if the meetings were held in
the Math Science, Earth Science, or ICT Buildings, navigation shouldn't be too 
difficult.
(ICT rooms would have the advantage of having an overhead data projector, though more 
and more
rooms are being equipped with them, and if necessary Com/Media can bring one in.)

> > Third, Is DeVry talking about a permanent arrangement?  Will we need to go 
> > through this again in a few months or a year?  What happens if we out-grow 
> > the room they are offering?  We've been pushing 70 or so people at some of 
> > the meetings lately - I don't think it'd be a big push to grow over 100 
> > people.  Do they have other rooms available?
> 
> DeVry have left this open ended as far as we are concerned. We can have the space 
> for as long as we want it. AFAIK we have at least a year of guaranteed space, no 
> penalty to leave at any time. The only thing they have asked for (actually we 
> offered) is the advertising on our website under sponsors and plugging them at 
> meetings. This is all stuff I do as a a matter of course anyway, no hardship here. 
> The room we have tentatively been offered could have extra chairs brought in to grow 
> over 100 but we may still have further options...

Yes, it is very nice to have a stable meeting place.  The biggest advantages of the 
SAIT or
UofC locations would be that the train line goes right through or directly adjacent to 
the
campus.  The biggest disadvantage of the University option would be parking, as I 
believe it
is slightly more expensive than at SAIT, but I'm not sure because I don't drive on a 
regular
basis (I'm a slave to Calgary Transit).

> > As for location, DeVry or SAIT are both easy to get too.  (There are a number 
> > of buses that run from the Franklin or Marlborough c-train stations that 
> > service a good chuck of the NE/SE areas around there.  Both stations are 
> > within walking distance of DeVry).
> 
> I think this is well covered.
> 
> > I don't envy the choice the executive has to make, but trust they will make 
> > the choice that is best for the group.  
> 
> It is a huge issue to try and keep our meeting place fairly stable. We have not paid 
> anyone for the use of facilities thus far and that is a huge thing. How many 
> organizations can say that they don't pay for their meeting place? Not many I'd 
> wager. We are still not big enough to be able to cover those kind of costs. I think 
> it is encouraging that we have grown big enough (or interesting or what-have-you) to 
> catch the eye of places like DeVry. They are wooing us not the other way around.
> 
> > Thanks for keeping us informed Jarrod.
> 
> Thank the Executive as a whole, I'm only part of the team. It's not really fair for 
> the 'front-man' to always get the kudos, the rest of the band are just as important.

Indeed.  Thanks to everyone on the Executive for their efforts.

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