I was +1'ing Shawns comment ... more specifically the requirement that it be gone and forgotten for 20 years or so before we can consider the underlying concept/desire/value to be dead.
On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 00:21 -0700, TekBudda wrote: > Who were you +1'ing John? > > On 1/18/2012 10:18 PM, John Jardine wrote: > > +1 > > > > On Wed, 2012-01-18 at 22:06 -0700, Shawn wrote: > >> On 12-01-18 07:28 PM, TekBudda wrote: > >>> Examples of what is outlined in the above can EASILY be seen in today's > >>> society. > >> > >> Psst... examples like that can be found on any given day at most points > >> in history. I don't mean to belittle your thoughts, but I don't see > >> this situation in the same light. You may, and that is your > >> prerogative. But if the point is that neutral, it may not apply to the > >> issue at hand. > >> > >>> On 1/18/2012 6:32 PM, Greg King wrote: > >>>> Apparently one of these bills has been killed. > >>>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngaudiosi/2012/01/16/obama-says-so-long-sopa-killing-controversial-internet-piracy-legislation/ > >> > >> I won't belive it is "killed" until it has been tossed from collective > >> consciousness and forgotten for more than 20 years. These same "thou > >> shalt not copy!" issues came up with cassette tapes, VCRs, DVDs, etc. > >> The content industry is rather stubborn when change is in the air, yet > >> turn around and find a way to profit very nicely from that change. > >> > >> THIS time is a little different because the Internet is the great > >> equalizer. It is now very hard for corporations to pull crap that goes > >> unnoticed. It was noticed this time, and the process has been subjected > >> to xray vision. That is, it is very clear that the big, established > >> media companies want to stop sharing of information SO badly that they > >> are willing to buy off politicians. And politicians are being exposed > >> as bought puppets. I think THOSE are grounds for the general public to > >> get just a little irked and react. > >> > >> As for the new Defense Authorization Act - people have been made to be > >> afraid, and so feel that giving up a little freedom / liberty so they > >> can feel safe is a fair trade. But as the quote goes "give up liberty > >> for safety, and you shall have neither". So, the public may have missed > >> the boat on many of these, but instead of pointing out that the mob > >> should be indifferent this time just cuz they were last time, we should > >> be celebrating that society is taking a stand to retain some of their > >> liberties. > >> > >> For this reason, my business website went dark today as well. > >> > >> Shawn > >> > >> > >>>> > >>>> I'm a little surprised at the amount of popular uprising against this > >>>> legislation, given that the passage of the National Defense > >>>> Authorization Act on New years Eve, which allows for the indefinite > >>>> detention of American citizens, passed without much outrage at all. The > >>>> USA is now one giant Guantanamo Bay and I'm sure visitors to the USA > >>>> could get the same or worse treatment without any due process based on > >>>> the whims of the powers that be. See > >>>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/31/obama-defense-bill_n_1177836.html > >>>> > >>>> Greg > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> clug-talk mailing list > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca > >>>> Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) > >>>> **Please remove these lines when replying > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> clug-talk mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca > >>> Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) > >>> **Please remove these lines when replying > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> clug-talk mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca > >> Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) > >> **Please remove these lines when replying > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > clug-talk mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca > > Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) > > **Please remove these lines when replying > > _______________________________________________ > clug-talk mailing list > [email protected] > http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca > Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) > **Please remove these lines when replying _______________________________________________ clug-talk mailing list [email protected] http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) **Please remove these lines when replying
