I agree but that's not what our provider says.  We have had more that 1
resident who has used his full 100 days & then, just because he is on
chronic Oxygen use, he never is able to qualify for another benefit
period as the provider considers that he has remained skilled because of
the Oxygen use.

Pat Whitcomb, RN
MDS Coordinator
Madonna Towers
507-288-3911, Ext. 3050


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We have always looked at the stability of the resident. Certainly oxygen
use can be chronic and does not need to be adjusted or cared for by
"licensed staff"

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From: Patricia Whitcomb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 8:20 AM
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Subject: RE: To skill or not


If resident is on continuous Oxygen, I would be checking lung sounds &
O2 sats q shift for the first few days & then @ least daily after that.
Also, check with your provider.  We have Noridian, & they consider that
as long as the resident uses oxygen @ some time during the day, on a
daily basis, he would remain skilled.  The only bad thing about this is
that if you have a patient who is on, & remains on, oxygen, he will
never become unskilled.


Pat Whitcomb, RN
MDS Coordinator
Madonna Towers
507-288-3911, Ext. 3050

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Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 7:27 PM
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Subject: Re: To skill or not


A LTC resident is sent to the hospital.  Has dx end-stage COPD.  Come
back sub-acute unit receiving po antibiotics.  Therapy does not go in
since patient is at baseline upon return.  Recieves oxygen- long time
use not new. Doctor writes order comfort care, but family is not ready
for hospice.  How long can you skill this resident?  If you can skill
this resident longer than a 7-10 day observation on what skilled need
are you skilling her and for how long? Lisa

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