Messages like this are IMHO the main reason, why Avalon failed.

Stephen, you should understand, that community always means compromise.
You didn't seem to be able to accept that. In the end, these tensions
lead to the end of Avalon.

Story is over, no need to kick a dead horse. One of the good things
about ASF code _is_, that you can take it somewhere else and go on with

Good luck with Metro/Merlin. But now, please let the dead rest.


On Wed, 2004-12-01 at 02:26, Stephen McConnell wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Niclas Hedhman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > And on behalf of the developers at Avalon, I would like to Thank ALL
> the
> > past Chairs and members of the Avalon PMC, for a all-in-all a job well
> > done.
> I'm sorry - but you will have to exclude myself from the above
> endorsement.  
> The Avalon community established a PMC to represent the community
> interests concerning the direction and administration of the Avalon
> project.  The community interests were clear - a single platform, one
> specification, a cohesive solution.  That decision was not respected by
> the outgoing chair nor the board of directors of the ASF.  
> That is not the definition of a job-well-done.  Instead this is much
> more about the weakness of individuals - in particular the members of
> the board of directors of the ASF and not least of all our outgoing
> chain.  However - there is much that can be learnt from this.  The
> weaknesses of the BOD can be attributed to their collective
> unwillingness to confront members of their own board. The weakness of
> our Chair was more a question of his personal loyalty to the community.
> Irrespective of the above obstacles a real and tangible alternative to
> ASF continues under  The fundamental difference -
> no distinction between the people who contribute and the people who run
> the process.  
> Stephen.
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