"pass thru-partner trade"
Bob Livingston
On Tuesday, August 6, 2024 at 04:49:32 PM EDT, Julian Blechner via Contra
Callers <[email protected]> wrote:
I'd love more people to try swapping thus to "pass through, California Twirl
to face in" or, at least, Right and Left through (which seems to be slowly
going out of fashion?)
In dance,Julian Blechner
On Tue, Aug 6, 2024, 3:32 PM Elizabeth Bloom Albert <[email protected]> wrote:
Please, pretty please, with sugar ontop!
Please don’t call (or write) any moredances where a Half-Promenade (across the
set) is followed by a Circle to theLeft! With the possible exception of
interlocking long wavy lines-- another bigugh! in my book, there is nothing
more jarring than the 1/2 Prom to a Circle Leftcombo
I once attended an (out-of-town)dance where three dances were called that had
that combo (three!) and in spiteof all the (other) pretty good dances and
excellent dance partners, this iswhat I remember about that experience to this
day!
On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 8:29 AM Julian Blechner via Contra Callers
<[email protected]> wrote:
My biggest nono is "too much clockwise". If moves are awkward or with meh flow,
that's not a health or safety thing. Whereas getting dizzy is.
In dance,
Julian Blechner
He/him
Western Mass
On Tue, Aug 6, 2024, 8:40 AM Angela DeCarlis via Contra Callers
<[email protected]> wrote:
Surprised no one's mentioned interlocking long wavy lines, yet — I think it's
relatively well-known that Lisa Greenleaf hates this move! Can't say I'm a huge
fan, either, but it has its moments.
For my two-cents, butterfly whirls are on thin ice! I'll program dances that
include this figure with a partner on rare occasion, and symmetrical dances
with both a partner and neighbor whirl could be novel enough to be okay (???)
on a cold day, but I think I would essentially never call a dance with only a
neighbor butterfly whirl.
There are too many excellent dances to ever bother with the mediocre ones,
honestly.
On Tue, Aug 6, 2024, 3:14 AM Neal Schlein via Contra Callers
<[email protected]> wrote:
I agree with Jonathan about your existing list, and think that almost any
sequence CAN be used if done with knowledgeable intent.
However, for the general list of things to avoid I would nominate what I like
to call “fudge down the line,” which is any adjustment that a) happens solely
because the sequence doesn’t fully progress the couples and b) does not flow
naturally from the existing movement. (This most often happens in Beckett
dances or those substantially in Beckett formation; examples include a 2 count
sideways slide along the line or a slightly angled right and left thru.)
Notably, the 4 beat slide in “With Thanks to the Dean” and similar dances would
not count because they are full and discrete actions that are specifically
accounted for in the flow and timing.
Neal SchleinLibrarian, MSLIS
On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 10:28 PM Michael Fuerst via Contra Callers
<[email protected]> wrote:
Depending on the flow of the dance, balance and box the gnat can often replace
dsd and shoulder rounds 1 1/2
On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 11:17 PM Maia McCormick via Contra Callers
<[email protected]> wrote:
I don't have Bob's list handy, but I cribbed heavily from it to make this (much
less extensive) list of figures + timings, in case it's useful to anyone!
(This reminds me of some more things I don't like, ha. Circle L and pass
through to swing -- IME the swing always gets truncated. Dosido 1.5x and right
shoulder round 1.5x don't quiiite fit in 8 counts of music and are often
frustrating. And I don't call couples' dosidos anymore, they're a pain to
execute correctly unless everyone in the hall is EXTREMELY on top of it.)
--Maia McCormick (she/her)917.279.8194
On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 12:02 AM Joe Harrington <[email protected]>
wrote:
Is Bob Isaacs in the house? He has a giant spreadsheet with every possible
move transition and a count of the number of times it occurs in a set of dances
that now numbers in the hundreds or maybe a lot more. It’s interesting which
unlikely combinations do occur and which rarely do. I hope this someday sees
the light of day.
—jh—
On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 11:29 PM Maia McCormick via Contra Callers
<[email protected]> wrote:
Jeff, impressively bad, well done!
My biggest pet peeve is a RH chain (or promenade, or other move with a CCW
courtesy turn) into a circle L—though this is a very of-the-moment style
preference, as I know plenty of the classic dances have this combo. (Likewise
for dances where just the 1s do a figure while the 2s stand around, doubly so
if the dance doesn’t alternate active couples.)
Long lines followed by a chain is quite idiomatic—and probably in part because
of the strength that idiom, a chain (or other courtesy turn figure) followed by
long lines drives me up a wall.
I don’t love long lines into a circle—I’ll tolerate it if the rest of the dance
is really exceptional, ehhhh.
--Maia McCormick (she/her)917.279.8194
On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 10:31 PM Jeff Kaufman via Contra Callers
<[email protected]> wrote:
Balance neighbor (4), swing partner (12)
Ones dosido below while twos seesaw above (8).
Long lines forward (4), swing on the side (8), long lines back (4).
Circle left 1x (6) pass through (2)
Jeff
On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 9:51 PM Tepfer, Seth via Contra Callers
<[email protected]> wrote:
- A right chain INTO a swing
- A swing into a circle right
- Standard right shoulder hey into a swing
Plenty other bad flow examples
Seth Tepfer, MBA, CSM, PMP (he, him, his)
Senior IT Manager, Emory Primate Center
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From: Jonathan Sivier via Contra Callers <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, August 5, 2024 9:48 PM
To: New Contra Callers List <[email protected]>
Subject: [External] [Callers] Re: Choreographic No-Nos I don't agree with your
list. Yes, swings on the first half of a phrase are challenging and I might
try to avoid them. There are dances with this that generally work fine,
especially if the caller is aware of the potential issue and teaches and calls
accordingly. The do-si-do across can be a bit awkward in a crowded line, but
only if everyone is doing the do-si-do. If only the 1's or 2's are doing it
then there is no problem. Shadow swings seem to be a personal preference or
dislike and not really a choreographic issue. I actually think that a right
chain after a swing can work very well. If you end the swing with the pointy
hands pointing across then the right hands of the right hand dancers are right
there ready to pull by. I suppose you might say there is a momentum change,
but that can be very welcome in a dance where everything seems to be traveling
the same way. Not every dance has to have continuous motion in the same
direction all the time. I danced a dance with that set of figures just last
Friday and I was thinking to myself how well it seemed to work.
So I see #1 and #3 as more of a challenge than a problem. #4 is a personal
preference and #2 seems like a perfectly fine transition between figures.
Jonathan
On 8/5/2024 7:37 PM, Michael Fuerst via Contra Callers wrote:
> I am accumulating a list of figures, or figure sequence that significant
> dance writers (not necessarily a majority) consider Choreographic No-Nos
> My list so far:
> 1. do-si-do across
> 2. right chain after a swing
> 3 short swings on an odd phrase
> 4. Shadow swings
> Does anyone have further suggestions?
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