Oops I sent it from the wrong email and only a few folks got it. The last time I danced one of these, I learned that if you promenade with the Robins passing right shoulder, this flows very well. So if one MUST call it, you might change the promenade direction.
> > >> On Aug 6, 2024, at 3:32 PM, Elizabeth Bloom Albert via Contra Callers >> <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Please, pretty please, with sugar on top! >> Please don’t call (or write) any more dances where a Half-Promenade (across >> the set) is followed by a Circle to the Left! With the possible exception of >> interlocking long wavy lines-- another big ugh! in my book, there is nothing >> more jarring than the 1/2 Prom to a Circle Left combo >> I once attended an (out-of-town) dance where three dances were called that >> had that combo (three!) and in spite of all the (other) pretty good dances >> and excellent dance partners, this is what I remember about that experience >> to this day! >> >> On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 8:29 AM Julian Blechner via Contra Callers >> <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> My biggest nono is "too much clockwise". If moves are awkward or with meh >> flow, that's not a health or safety thing. Whereas getting dizzy is. >> >> In dance, >> Julian Blechner >> He/him >> Western Mass >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 6, 2024, 8:40 AM Angela DeCarlis via Contra Callers >> <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> Surprised no one's mentioned interlocking long wavy lines, yet — I think >> it's relatively well-known that Lisa Greenleaf hates this move! Can't say >> I'm a huge fan, either, but it has its moments. >> >> For my two-cents, butterfly whirls are on thin ice! I'll program dances that >> include this figure with a partner on rare occasion, and symmetrical dances >> with both a partner and neighbor whirl could be novel enough to be okay >> (???) on a cold day, but I think I would essentially never call a dance with >> only a neighbor butterfly whirl. >> >> There are too many excellent dances to ever bother with the mediocre ones, >> honestly. >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 6, 2024, 3:14 AM Neal Schlein via Contra Callers >> <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> I agree with Jonathan about your existing list, and think that almost any >> sequence CAN be used if done with knowledgeable intent. >> >> However, for the general list of things to avoid I would nominate what I >> like to call “fudge down the line,” which is any adjustment that a) happens >> solely because the sequence doesn’t fully progress the couples and b) does >> not flow naturally from the existing movement. (This most often happens in >> Beckett dances or those substantially in Beckett formation; examples include >> a 2 count sideways slide along the line or a slightly angled right and left >> thru.) >> >> Notably, the 4 beat slide in “With Thanks to the Dean” and similar dances >> would not count because they are full and discrete actions that are >> specifically accounted for in the flow and timing. >> >> Neal Schlein >> Librarian, MSLIS >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 10:28 PM Michael Fuerst via Contra Callers >> <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> Depending on the flow of the dance, balance and box the gnat can often >> replace dsd and shoulder rounds 1 1/2 >> >> On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 11:17 PM Maia McCormick via Contra Callers >> <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> I don't have Bob's list handy, but I cribbed heavily from it to make this >> (much less extensive) list of figures + timings >> <https://contra.maiamccormick.com/assets/pdfs/esc-choreo-figures.pdf>, in >> case it's useful to anyone! >> >> (This reminds me of some more things I don't like, ha. Circle L and pass >> through to swing -- IME the swing always gets truncated. Dosido 1.5x and >> right shoulder round 1.5x don't quiiite fit in 8 counts of music and are >> often frustrating. And I don't call couples' dosidos anymore, they're a pain >> to execute correctly unless everyone in the hall is EXTREMELY on top of it.) >> -- >> Maia McCormick (she/her) >> 917.279.8194 >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 12:02 AM Joe Harrington <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> Is Bob Isaacs in the house? He has a giant spreadsheet with every possible >> move transition and a count of the number of times it occurs in a set of >> dances that now numbers in the hundreds or maybe a lot more. It’s >> interesting which unlikely combinations do occur and which rarely do. I >> hope this someday sees the light of day. >> >> —jh— >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 11:29 PM Maia McCormick via Contra Callers >> <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> Jeff, impressively bad, well done! >> >> My biggest pet peeve is a RH chain (or promenade, or other move with a CCW >> courtesy turn) into a circle L—though this is a very of-the-moment style >> preference, as I know plenty of the classic dances have this combo. >> (Likewise for dances where just the 1s do a figure while the 2s stand >> around, doubly so if the dance doesn’t alternate active couples.) >> >> Long lines followed by a chain is quite idiomatic—and probably in part >> because of the strength that idiom, a chain (or other courtesy turn figure) >> followed by long lines drives me up a wall. >> >> I don’t love long lines into a circle—I’ll tolerate it if the rest of the >> dance is really exceptional, ehhhh. >> >> -- >> Maia McCormick (she/her) >> 917.279.8194 >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 10:31 PM Jeff Kaufman via Contra Callers >> <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> Balance neighbor (4), swing partner (12) >> >> Ones dosido below while twos seesaw above (8). >> >> Long lines forward (4), swing on the side (8), long lines back (4). >> >> Circle left 1x (6) pass through (2) >> >> Jeff >> >> On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 9:51 PM Tepfer, Seth via Contra Callers >> <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> A right chain INTO a swing >> A swing into a circle right >> Standard right shoulder hey into a swing >> >> Plenty other bad flow examples >> >> >> Seth Tepfer, MBA, CSM, PMP (he, him, his) >> Senior IT Manager, Emory Primate Center >> <Outlook-b31euhoh.png> >> <https://outlook.office.com/bookwithme/user/[email protected]?anonymous&ep=signature> >> Book time to meet with me >> <https://outlook.office365.com/owa/calendar/[email protected]/bookings/> >> >> From: Jonathan Sivier via Contra Callers >> <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> Sent: Monday, August 5, 2024 9:48 PM >> To: New Contra Callers List <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> Subject: [External] [Callers] Re: Choreographic No-Nos >> >> I don't agree with your list. Yes, swings on the first half of a phrase are >> challenging and I might try to avoid them. There are dances with this that >> generally work fine, especially if the caller is aware of the potential >> issue and teaches and calls accordingly. The do-si-do across can be a bit >> awkward in a crowded line, but only if everyone is doing the do-si-do. If >> only the 1's or 2's are doing it then there is no problem. Shadow swings >> seem to be a personal preference or dislike and not really a choreographic >> issue. I actually think that a right chain after a swing can work very >> well. If you end the swing with the pointy hands pointing across then the >> right hands of the right hand dancers are right there ready to pull by. I >> suppose you might say there is a momentum change, but that can be very >> welcome in a dance where everything seems to be traveling the same way. Not >> every dance has to have continuous motion in the same direction all the >> time. I danced a dance with that set of figures just last Friday and I was >> thinking to myself how well it seemed to work. >> >> So I see #1 and #3 as more of a challenge than a problem. #4 is a personal >> preference and #2 seems like a perfectly fine transition between figures. >> >> Jonathan >> >> On 8/5/2024 7:37 PM, Michael Fuerst via Contra Callers wrote: >> > I am accumulating a list of figures, or figure sequence that significant >> > dance writers (not necessarily a majority) consider Choreographic No-Nos >> > My list so far: >> > 1. do-si-do across >> > 2. right chain after a swing >> > 3 short swings on an odd phrase >> > 4. 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