Seth, sure does! Circle right flows beautifully out of a standard promenade, R/L thru, or RH chain. See eg: https://contra.maiamccormick.com/dances.html#barackmeobamadeus
-- Maia McCormick (she/her) 917.279.8194 On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 3:43 PM Alexandra Deis-Lauby via Contra Callers < [email protected]> wrote: > Oops I sent it from the wrong email and only a few folks got it. > > The last time I danced one of these, I learned that if you promenade with > the Robins passing right shoulder, this flows very well. So if one MUST > call it, you might change the promenade direction. > > > >> >> On Aug 6, 2024, at 3:32 PM, Elizabeth Bloom Albert via Contra Callers < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Please, pretty please, with sugar on top! >> Please don’t call (or write) any more dances where a Half-Promenade >> (across the set) is followed by a Circle to the Left! With the possible >> exception of interlocking long wavy lines-- another big ugh! in my book, >> there is nothing more jarring than the 1/2 Prom to a Circle Left combo >> I once attended an (out-of-town) dance where three dances were called >> that had that combo (three!) and in spite of all the (other) pretty good >> dances and excellent dance partners, this is what I remember about that >> experience to this day! >> >> On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 8:29 AM Julian Blechner via Contra Callers < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> My biggest nono is "too much clockwise". If moves are awkward or with >>> meh flow, that's not a health or safety thing. Whereas getting dizzy is. >>> >>> In dance, >>> Julian Blechner >>> He/him >>> Western Mass >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 6, 2024, 8:40 AM Angela DeCarlis via Contra Callers < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Surprised no one's mentioned interlocking long wavy lines, yet — I >>>> think it's relatively well-known that Lisa Greenleaf hates this move! Can't >>>> say I'm a huge fan, either, but it has its moments. >>>> >>>> For my two-cents, butterfly whirls are on thin ice! I'll program dances >>>> that include this figure with a partner on rare occasion, and symmetrical >>>> dances with both a partner and neighbor whirl could be novel enough to be >>>> okay (???) on a cold day, but I think I would essentially never call a >>>> dance with only a neighbor butterfly whirl. >>>> >>>> There are too many excellent dances to ever bother with the mediocre >>>> ones, honestly. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 6, 2024, 3:14 AM Neal Schlein via Contra Callers < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I agree with Jonathan about your existing list, and think that almost >>>>> any sequence CAN be used if done with knowledgeable intent. >>>>> >>>>> However, for the general list of things to avoid I would nominate what >>>>> I like to call “fudge down the line,” which is any adjustment that a) >>>>> happens solely because the sequence doesn’t fully progress the couples and >>>>> b) does not flow naturally from the existing movement. (This most often >>>>> happens in Beckett dances or those substantially in Beckett formation; >>>>> examples include a 2 count sideways slide along the line or a slightly >>>>> angled right and left thru.) >>>>> >>>>> Notably, the 4 beat slide in “With Thanks to the Dean” and similar >>>>> dances would not count because they are full and discrete actions >>>>> that are specifically accounted for in the flow and timing. >>>>> >>>>> Neal Schlein >>>>> Librarian, MSLIS >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 10:28 PM Michael Fuerst via Contra Callers < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Depending on the flow of the dance, balance and box the gnat can >>>>>> often replace dsd and shoulder rounds 1 1/2 >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 11:17 PM Maia McCormick via Contra Callers < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't have Bob's list handy, but I cribbed heavily from it to make >>>>>>> this >>>>>>> (much less extensive) list of figures + timings >>>>>>> <https://contra.maiamccormick.com/assets/pdfs/esc-choreo-figures.pdf>, >>>>>>> in case it's useful to anyone! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (This reminds me of some more things I don't like, ha. Circle L and >>>>>>> pass through to swing -- IME the swing always gets truncated. Dosido >>>>>>> 1.5x >>>>>>> and right shoulder round 1.5x don't quiiite fit in 8 counts of music and >>>>>>> are often frustrating. And I don't call couples' dosidos anymore, >>>>>>> they're a >>>>>>> pain to execute correctly unless everyone in the hall is EXTREMELY on >>>>>>> top >>>>>>> of it.) >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Maia McCormick (she/her) >>>>>>> 917.279.8194 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 12:02 AM Joe Harrington < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is Bob Isaacs in the house? He has a giant spreadsheet with every >>>>>>>> possible move transition and a count of the number of times it occurs >>>>>>>> in a >>>>>>>> set of dances that now numbers in the hundreds or maybe a lot more. >>>>>>>> It’s >>>>>>>> interesting which unlikely combinations do occur and which rarely do. >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> hope this someday sees the light of day. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> —jh— >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 11:29 PM Maia McCormick via Contra Callers < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jeff, impressively bad, well done! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My biggest pet peeve is a RH chain (or promenade, or other move >>>>>>>>> with a CCW courtesy turn) into a circle L—though this is a very >>>>>>>>> of-the-moment style preference, as I know plenty of the classic >>>>>>>>> dances have >>>>>>>>> this combo. (Likewise for dances where just the 1s do a figure while >>>>>>>>> the 2s >>>>>>>>> stand around, doubly so if the dance doesn’t alternate active >>>>>>>>> couples.) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Long lines followed by a chain is quite idiomatic—and probably in >>>>>>>>> part because of the strength that idiom, a chain (or other courtesy >>>>>>>>> turn >>>>>>>>> figure) followed by long lines drives me up a wall. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I don’t love long lines into a circle—I’ll tolerate it if the rest >>>>>>>>> of the dance is really exceptional, ehhhh. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Maia McCormick (she/her) >>>>>>>>> 917.279.8194 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 10:31 PM Jeff Kaufman via Contra Callers < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Balance neighbor (4), swing partner (12) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ones dosido below while twos seesaw above (8). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Long lines forward (4), swing on the side (8), long lines back >>>>>>>>>> (4). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Circle left 1x (6) pass through (2) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Jeff >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 9:51 PM Tepfer, Seth via Contra Callers < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> - A right chain INTO a swing >>>>>>>>>>> - A swing into a circle right >>>>>>>>>>> - Standard right shoulder hey into a swing >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Plenty other bad flow examples >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Seth Tepfer, MBA, CSM, PMP (he, him, his) >>>>>>>>>>> Senior IT Manager, Emory Primate Center >>>>>>>>>>> <Outlook-b31euhoh.png> >>>>>>>>>>> <https://outlook.office.com/bookwithme/user/[email protected]?anonymous&ep=signature> >>>>>>>>>>> Book >>>>>>>>>>> time to meet with me >>>>>>>>>>> <https://outlook.office365.com/owa/calendar/[email protected]/bookings/> >>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Jonathan Sivier via Contra Callers < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 5, 2024 9:48 PM >>>>>>>>>>> *To:* New Contra Callers List < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [External] [Callers] Re: Choreographic No-Nos >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I don't agree with your list. Yes, swings on the first half of >>>>>>>>>>> a phrase are challenging and I might try to avoid them. There are >>>>>>>>>>> dances >>>>>>>>>>> with this that generally work fine, especially if the caller is >>>>>>>>>>> aware of >>>>>>>>>>> the potential issue and teaches and calls accordingly. The >>>>>>>>>>> do-si-do across >>>>>>>>>>> can be a bit awkward in a crowded line, but only if everyone is >>>>>>>>>>> doing the >>>>>>>>>>> do-si-do. If only the 1's or 2's are doing it then there is no >>>>>>>>>>> problem. >>>>>>>>>>> Shadow swings seem to be a personal preference or dislike and not >>>>>>>>>>> really a >>>>>>>>>>> choreographic issue. I actually think that a right chain after a >>>>>>>>>>> swing can >>>>>>>>>>> work very well. If you end the swing with the pointy hands >>>>>>>>>>> pointing across >>>>>>>>>>> then the right hands of the right hand dancers are right there >>>>>>>>>>> ready to >>>>>>>>>>> pull by. I suppose you might say there is a momentum change, but >>>>>>>>>>> that can >>>>>>>>>>> be very welcome in a dance where everything seems to be traveling >>>>>>>>>>> the same >>>>>>>>>>> way. Not every dance has to have continuous motion in the same >>>>>>>>>>> direction >>>>>>>>>>> all the time. I danced a dance with that set of figures just last >>>>>>>>>>> Friday >>>>>>>>>>> and I was thinking to myself how well it seemed to work. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So I see #1 and #3 as more of a challenge than a problem. #4 is >>>>>>>>>>> a personal preference and #2 seems like a perfectly fine transition >>>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>>> figures. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Jonathan >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 8/5/2024 7:37 PM, Michael Fuerst via Contra Callers wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> > I am accumulating a list of figures, or figure sequence that >>>>>>>>>>> significant dance writers (not necessarily a majority) consider >>>>>>>>>>> Choreographic No-Nos >>>>>>>>>>> > My list so far: >>>>>>>>>>> > 1. do-si-do across >>>>>>>>>>> > 2. right chain after a swing >>>>>>>>>>> > 3 short swings on an odd phrase >>>>>>>>>>> > 4. 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