sorry, i'm making an ass of myself. X starts without a problem and i can run the console under X with both the r128 and fbdev drivers. (i think that's right. just a black console, but i can move the mouse around.) so my problems are about the window manager. sorry i didn't mention this before, wasting your time with the X stuff. somehow i forgot, or something... anyway

window manager probs... r128 can't get anything but unresolved symbols. fbdev however has interesting behavior. linux boots up, loads the window manager and shows nothing but a blue screen. control alt delete dumps back to the console then starts the wm again. this time it goes happily all the way into kde.

i can run basic kde apps and terminals. but i can't run root apps (i hope you understand what i am trying to say) like mandrakecontrol or anything that wants a root password. they ask for the password and then close instantly.

here is the .xsession-error file from my ordinary users:

cp: cannot stat `/usr/share/mdk/kde/root-interface/klipper.desktop': No such file or directory
cp: cannot stat `/usr/share/mdk/kde/root-interface/Root_interface.kcsrc': No such file or directory
startkde: Starting up...
iceauth: creating new authority file /root/.ICEauthority
Hangup
GOT SIGHUP
startkde: Could not start kdeinit. Check your installation.
/usr/bin/startkde: line 197: xmessage: command not found
DCOP aborting call from 'anonymous-1789' to 'kded'
ERROR: KUniqueApplication: DCOP communication error!
Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
Xlib: No protocol specified


ksmserver: cannot connect to X server :0
Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
Xlib: No protocol specified

kdeinit: Can't connect to the X Server.
kdeinit: Might not terminate at end of session.
Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
Xlib: No protocol specified

kcminit: cannot connect to X server :0
startkde: Shutting down...
ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 1788, errno = 2
kdeinit: Communication error with launcher. Exiting!
startkde: Running shutdown scripts...
startkde: Done.



and here is the .xsession-errors from the root user

cp: cannot stat `/usr/share/mdk/kde/root-interface/klipper.desktop': No such file or directory
cp: cannot stat `/usr/share/mdk/kde/root-interface/Root_interface.kcsrc': No such file or directory
startkde: Starting up...
iceauth: creating new authority file /root/.ICEauthority
Hangup
GOT SIGHUP
startkde: Could not start kdeinit. Check your installation.
/usr/bin/startkde: line 197: xmessage: command not found
DCOP aborting call from 'anonymous-1789' to 'kded'
ERROR: KUniqueApplication: DCOP communication error!
Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
Xlib: No protocol specified


ksmserver: cannot connect to X server :0
Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
Xlib: No protocol specified

kdeinit: Can't connect to the X Server.
kdeinit: Might not terminate at end of session.
Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
Xlib: No protocol specified

kcminit: cannot connect to X server :0
startkde: Shutting down...
ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 1788, errno = 2
kdeinit: Communication error with launcher. Exiting!
startkde: Running shutdown scripts...
startkde: Done.



i am not sure what you mean by ps output from a console. i ran 'ps' on a hunch and just shows bash and sh

thanks for all this help and your patience with my stupidity

On Monday, March 10, 2003, at 12:06 AM, Stew Benedict wrote:


On Sun, 9 Mar 2003, melchior wrote:


when i log in with either driver i can move the cursor around the
console. but startx doesn't load.

using fbdev as the driver. as su, i type startx. i get a red screen and
eventually a warning about using the gui as root. after a while i can
pull up the menubar at the bottom, try to load anything and it just
sits in the bar with the hour glass, not doing anything.
startx as a regular user i get a blue screen and only a blue screen.
nothing happens. there's no menu bar, nothing. eventually i push
control alt delete to get out of it.



Again, you're confusing X and the desktop environment. X alone isn't
much, a graphical display and possibly a mouse cursor. If you have that,
then XFree is working. I don't understand what you mean by "startx
doesn't load". Either X runs, or you drop back to the console.


For the other, I need more information. Look at ps output from a console,
look at .xsession-errors in the X user's home directory. It sounds like
some process is hanging, and it might well be drakfw, like I mentioned in
the last message.



Stew Benedict


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