Have any of your freinds worked on open source projects during this
time? I'd like to think this would be a great way to gain experience
while looking for work or while studying. I'd be interested to know
whether hiring companies would take this into concideration - I would,
as experience and certificates (degrees etc) come well below , but do
agencies know what OS is?

On 2/15/06, Clint Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi Dr..
>
> I have a few friends that graduated end of last year and middle last
> year at Cape Technikon and they have been at home ever since, Why????
> No work experience and companies are not willing to take 3 months and
> give these guys some training, however they studied java.
>
> Most graduates that I have spoken to are willing to take any Java job
> and stay with the company for 2 years or more since it their first job
> but companies are not willing to train these guys since they say that
> they will leave them 3 months later as soon as they get work
> experience on the CV.
>
> The major problem here is, certain companies not willing to invest in
> their staff, or maybe only invest in certain staff along certain
> criteria, but that is another discussion at another time.
>
> On 2/14/06, Java Mad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > and another thing
> > shortage of skills is just an illusion in your mind Dr.
> >
> > One thing i can tell you is that they teach Java at both Universities and
> > Technicons
> > plus private institutions, CPUT event moved on to teach C# and i was
> > suprised about that.
> >
> > So tell me how many gratuduates are there over the past years that were
> > trained
> > in Java. Tell me how many university,technikon,college students are there
> > that
> > did a project whether big or small at university,tech,college level.
> >
> > Please tell me that Doctor and ill be satisfied.
> > You make it sound that its only white graduates that do Java at these
> > institutions
> > Well to tell the truth thats BULL.
> >
> > "Dr Heinz M. Kabutz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hey Java Mad,
> >
> > I'm still seeking an answer to the mystery of why there are no available
> > skills here in Cape Town.  Gauteng seems to have the same problem.
> >
> > Prove me wrong.  No problem.  But give me an explanation that makes sense...
> > Kind regards from
> >
> > Heinz
> > --
> > Dr. Heinz M. Kabutz (Maximum Solutions)
> > Sun Java Champion
> > Author of "The Java(tm) Specialists' Newsletter"
> > <http://www.javaspecialists.co.za/>
> > Tel: +27 (83) 340-5633
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Behalf Of Java Mad
> > Sent: 14 February 2006 16:03
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: [CTJUG Forum] Re: Java Developer needed
> >
> >
> > Im gona prove you wrong Heinz....
> > Like you said here is no skills
> > Ive got 1.5 years experience
> > Im not Black neither White maybe Khoi-San, San, not even Malaysian
> > The second minority
> > Still stuck somewhere in between... a proud south african
> >
> >
> > But still bet a white person will get the post if Riaan will tell the truth
> > about the outcomes of the post
> >
> > Riaan Koegelenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Heinz
> >
> > I am not sure, but the client, for whom we are going to do
> > the contract, has requested a BEE appointment. I would
> > therefore think that they are quite serious about it.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Riaan
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:11:01 +0200
> > "Dr Heinz M. Kabutz" wrote:
> > >
> > >Hi Riaan,
> > >
> > >we had an interesting discussion the other day on CTJUG
> > >where I was shot down for suggesting that it is getting
> > >more difficult for white males to get Java development
> > >work and that this is one of the reasons that we are
> > >experiencing a shortage of skills in Cape Town.
> > >
> > >In this particular job, how critical is it that the
> > >person be black?
> > >
> > >Kind regards from
> > >
> > >Heinz
> > >--
> > >Dr. Heinz M. Kabutz (Maximum Solutions)
> > >Sun Java Champion
> > >Author of "The Java(tm) Specialists' Newsletter"
> > >
> > >Tel: +27 (83) 340-5633
> > >
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> --
> Kind Regards,
> Clint Lewis
>


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