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On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>The Constitution is a 'political document.
>
>It is not a legal document using 'Law' definitions.
It most certainly IS a legal document, it is the document from where all
other U.S. laws stem...
CONSTITUTION: ...a) the system of basic laws and
principles of government, society, etc. b) a document
stating these. c) such a document of the U.S.
-- Webster's New World Dictionary
CONSTITUTION: an established law or custom...the basic
law in a politically organized body; also a document
containing such law
-- The Merriam-Webster Dictionary
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a
more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic
Tranquility, provide the common defence, promote the
general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to
ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish
this Constitution for the United States of America."
-- Preamble to the U.S. Constitution
"This Constitution, and all Laws of the United States
which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all
Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the
Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme
Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall
be bound thereby...
-- Article VI, U.S. Constitution
"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned,
and the Members of the several State Legislatures,
and all executive and judicial Officers, both of
the United States and of the several States, shall
be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this
Constitution..."
-- Article VI, U.S. Constitution
If the Constitution is NOT a legal document, then it is meaningless...
and I don't want to hear you, or anyone else complaining about 'the right
to free speech', or 'the right to keep and bear arms', if you sincerely
believe it is nothing except a 'common' piece of paper...
>By a quick perusal of quotes from the Federalist and by the very actions of
>the generation that founded our great country with blood and fortitude; and
>wrote that great document, that sexual matters and personal 'crimes', (a
>felony or misdeamors leagally) were not impeachable offenses.
No, but perjury, and obstruction of justice -- which is what the 4
articles of impeachment against Clinton comprise -- ARE considered
impeachable offenses.
And as I've mentioned more than once, federal judges HAVE been impeached
for behavior which could be construed to be solely 'sexual matters and
personal crimes'...so if conduct is considered an impeachable offense in
a federal judge, why WOULDN'T it also be an impeachable offense in the
President of the United States?
>On checking in the good Document, and impeachment is just removal from
>office, disqualification from trough flow;"but Party convicted shall
>nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgement and
>Punishment according to law."
Yes, the party who is impeached and removed from office can than be
subject to a criminal trial...but a criminal trial is not required...
IOW, a party impeached and removed on criminal matters may NOT
necessarily get a criminal trial afterwards, while OTOH a party may be
impeached and removed from office on matters which are not necessarily
legally criminal, but fall under the umbrella of 'misconduct in
office'....
>I would rather Clinton resign.
I'd rather it go to a trial -- that way each article can be laid out for
all to see, and all the evidence in support of, or opposing, be shown for
all to see...
With resignation, you'll just get the Clintonistas bleating forever about
how he was 'unfairly hounded out of office' (which now the Republicans
can complain was done to Livingston, who just announced his resignation)
...with a trial, both sides get to present their case...
And since everyone seems to feel that there aren't enough votes in the
Senate to carry a resolution to remove Clinton from office, one would
think Clinton and his supporters would be embracing this option...so one
does have to wonder what those who claim to support Clinton but call for
his resignation which to hide...
>I do not believe that a partisan impeachment is the way to go.
Well, impeachment seems to be a foregone conclusion...Clinton WILL be
impeached today...so the question lies in whether he resigns, or
undergoes a Senate trial and is possibly voted by the Senate to be
removed from office...
June
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