On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 04:59:14 -0000
xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:

> > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 11:40:09PM -0000, xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
> > Now, here's your fallacy. Because we humans are of course acting
> > rationally under pressure. Take Juan's give-me-your-money example:
> > in order to actually hand out your money you need to understand my
> > intentions, you need to know that I know what you might know etc,
> > and then act accordingly.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdYgEDSm7E
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q2KGGMc1EM

        Here's a second video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy75GtKsOAw

        In that second video apparently he tricks a guy at a jewelry
        store (a goldsmith?) into selling him a $4500 ring for a stack
        of white paper. Needless to say, I think the video is fake. 

        The first video you linked might be plausible, especially
        taking into account that the people he tricks do realize they
        were tricked after a short while. 

        However the idea that a professional seller of jewelry is going
        to make a big sale like that, without even COUNTING the bills
        because he had been chatted up with some nonsense about the
        subway system is...not plausible.

        I do think that Darren is socially engineering people. The
        people who watch their videos, IF they think are real...

> Don't be so sure.
> >
> > This is rationality at work.
> > THAT is free will.
> Poke around on Youtube and watch a bunch of Derren's stuff.

        I don't mean this in a confrontational tone, but it seems you
        are being tricked by Derren...

 Watch how
> he MAKES people make choices that, to them, feel entirely free.
> Listen to him, as he teaches you how it works, WHY it works, and get
> an understanding of the limits of rational, conscious free will.

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