On 09/21/2016 06:44 PM, John Newman wrote:
> NLP is widely discredited pseudo-science crap. It works quite well on simple minded people. AKA "Useful Idiots". Rr > On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 09:36:53PM -0300, juan wrote: >>> The skills of illusion, and "mentalism" are quite real.. and if you >>> watch more of his stuff, especially the longer videos or full >>> episodes where he breaks down the hows and whys of it working, >>> perhaps you'll be less likely to say its fake. It's easy to dismiss a >>> magic trick as "camera edits" when you just have a 3 minute video. >>> It's a bit harder when the magician explains the whole thing to you. >> >> >> Magic tricks don't have much to do with this. Magic tricks rely >> on exploiting shortcomings of perception, "the hand is quicker >> than the eye", that sort of thing. But indeed nobody believes >> that those magic tricks are 'real' magic. If anything they prove >> that people are rational and know that magicians can't make >> rabbits dissapear - they know it's 'illusion'. >> >> >> If on the other hand Derren is 'staging' the jewelry store >> video, that means he and the guy at the shop are playing a >> part and the video isn't even 'illusion', it's outright fake. >> > > This guy had a show in the UK for a while.. on one of his specials > he "programmed" 4 people to perform armed robberies without being > directly told to, supposedly using visual cues and a whole bunch > of other total NLP bullshit. Suffice it to say I think the thing > is a total fucking fake. I would have no problem with Darren if he > just claimed to be an illusionist like David Copperfield and performed > tricks, but he tries to act like James Randi, and like all his shit > is on the level - he really convinced X to do Y using psychological > methods... > > The heist episode I mentioned is particularly preposterous. > > Link to the full episode for anyone who wants to waste 45mins: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaHbACoYNSA > > >>> He uses a lot of techniques, but "neuro-linguistic programming" (NLP) >>> is the bread-and-butter. > > NLP is widely discredited pseudo-science crap. > > http://skepdic.com/neurolin.html > > "..It seems that NLP develops models which can't be verified, > from which it develops techniques which may have nothing to do with > either the models or the sources of the models. NLP makes claims > about thinking and perception which do not seem to be supported by > neuroscience.." > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuro-linguistic_programming > > "..There is no scientific evidence supporting the claims made by > NLP advocates and it has been discredited as a pseudoscience by > experts.." > > > John >