My main suggestion is to have the ability to rearrange modules to suit
one's workflow. The rest are just compromises.
So, basically.
-Have the ability to rearrange modules. If not possible:
-Have the ability to rearrange modules only in the favourites tab, and not
any of the other tabs. If not possible:
-Invert the current order of modules to show the actual (as opposed to
inverted) order in which the modules are applied, so people edit from top
to bottom, instead of bottom to top. However, this is, for myself, too much
of a compromise as I am not used to the order in which the modules are
arranged, even if you invert the current order in which it appears in DT.
Perhaps the main reason I am the only one complaining about this is because
I'm so used to using Lightroom and things just work like I expect it to
over there. There is no option to rearrange modules in Lightroom, but the
order in which they are arranged makes the most sense to the end user, even
if it is not the order in which the changes are applied.
Let me give an example comparison:
In Lightroom, the following can be adjusted in the "Basic" panel, in the
order in which they appear, from top to bottom:
Temperature>Tint>Exposure>Recovery>Fill
Light>Blacks>Brightness>Contrast>Clarity (equivalent of local
contrast)>Vibrance>Saturation. I use almost all of those for every image,
with the exception of brightness and saturation. And I use them in the
order they are placed because it makes the most sense.
Let's see the order of this in Darktable (if I place these in the
favourites tab):
Tone Curve(for contrast adjustments)>Local Contrast>Shadows and
Highlights>Vibrance>Exposure>White Balance
The modules in DT are all jumbled up. This is why I suggested having the
option to rearrange the modules, because from an end user standpoint, they
do not make sense, even if they make perfect sense from a technical
standpoint. I know I sound like a Lightroom fanboy, but the thing is there
are really some usability issues. I can't speak for everyone, but I have
great trouble finding the modules that I want to use in DT because of the
order in which they are displayed. Currently, for myself, Darktable is an
extremely powerful (and in some ways even more powerful than Lightroom)
software that is a pain in the butt to use. I still use it though, because
for the stuff I like to do, it is more powerful than Lightroom.
On 13 May 2013 18:21, jeremy rosen <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I don't see a reason for the order of the modules to be inverted; if one
>> wants to ensure users know the order of the application of modules, they
>> can be arranged in the same order in which they are applied, instead of the
>> other way around.
>>
>>
> they are...
>
> they are arranged bottom to top, in the order they are applied.
>
>
>
>> When I first used DT and saw a favourties tab, I immediately wanted to
>> add the modules I would use into favourites. WB, exposure, spot removal,
>> lens correction, GND, denoise, crop, vibrance, tonemap, shadows/highlights,
>> local contrast, colour zones, monochrome, tone curve, sharpen, and
>> vignetting. With the exception of a few, they now appear in the inverse
>> order that I would use them. Vignetting and sharpening are right up top,
>> with exposure and WB right at the bottom. I didn't expect this behaviour; I
>> always work from top to bottom and not the other way round.
>>
>>
>>
> so, IIUC after this discussion, your suggestion is now to arrange modules
> in the order they are applied top to bottom instead of bottom to top...
>
> At this point I don't disagree with the feature request per-se, but I
> don't think it's worth the UI breakage. You are more or less the first
> person I see complaining about that, so I assume people get used to it
> quickly/don't mind.
>
> It might be a case of "nobody complained about it, but it's because they
> never realized how annoying it is" maybe... we will see if people start
> massively replying on this thread, but I would be suprised.
>
> overall, I don't think it's worth breaking everybody's workflow for this.
>
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