Hello Fabio,
After Brian weighed in on it, -
Brian: I do consider your opinions on DP and other databases very
knowledgeable, even if our opinions differ on a proper form of government
:-) A hug to Marina and little Robert from me and my wife please.
- I started putting my investiagtion on Base to rest, and Fabio your
comments just hammered in the last nail. Thanks for sharing it Fabio.
Like probably 50% of the business world, all our machines are still
running
on XP-32bit. In preparation to changing the whole lot, I purchased one
Win7-64b and thus far I've been able to run DP on it using Jos Schaars'
vDos. My problem is I still haven't been able to make it start as a
batch
file with the start DPSpool included. Additionally, I have been unable
to
make the DP screen in the vDos screen larger for easier viewing.
I still have to try out all the proposed settings in subsequent previous
emails from Jos and Geert and I hope these were addressed in one of them.
Ed.
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Fabio Muller
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 10:42 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Dataperf] Is it time to abandon DP after 24 years?
Ed, if there is one thing that I can say to you is to forget Base. It's
worst than access which is nothing special. Let me tell you one story,
Besides I consider myself also a dinosaur, but from neolithic (opposed to
some here from paleolithic), and I wasted to much time and effort before
discover DP 3 yrs ago. As WP never reigned too much here is South
America ,
some products took too long to arrive and others almost never did. I
always
needed databases and I was never satisfied with the solutions till I
found
DP. Most recently I decided to jump into a definitive solution and base
seemed to be the answer. Big mistake. Base is just a "front-end" to
HSQLDB ,
a java database that is the main engine of Base. If you search through
Open
Office forums you will find a lot of problems regarding Base and HSQLDB
and
a lot of "work-around"
that just worked for some user but not for all. The big jump in Base ,
and
people already suggested that, is to move from HSQLDB to SQlite. If this
happens, base may start to be more interesting. But besides
instabilities,
java (eerghhh) e etc.. , what annoyed me a lot it's the time spent to
make-up the database. It's a pain in the neck and without that the DB
doesn't run. I spent hours putting buttons, texbox, list box, combo boxes
and other boxes and you have to configure the width, weight, color, name
and
so on. It's really a mess. I hate all these visual things. After spend
many
hours making a database I just stop and thought : There is something
wrong
here. I remember the old days of Dbase and the things were much simpier
than
that. It's not possible that we have retrograte that much. So first I
started looking for Dbase and Reflex ( a very nice product too, but a
flat-file db) which I remember where quite simple and suddenly I found
out
DP and I felt in love. How may hours, days and month I could have spared
if
I had discovered it before. I know that for the visual standards of
nowadays
is something consider quick and dirty. But I can say to you, it's
unbeatable
even today. You won't find something more easy to make a DB. Forget about
Base, the only alternative which I would consider to maybe replace DP in
some future would be Dbmax or Dbfree from www.maxsis.it , but these are
too
much "clipper" for me ( Brian may test them very well) , maybe one day I
give a try for them , but for now DP is still perfect. At least for my
needs...
On 17/03/2014 19:28, Ed Marfil wrote:
Hello Malkie,
Although I'm one of the stubborn dinosaurs still enamored of DP (since
1988), I too see the end of this joyride. I've been looking at
alternatives out there and I just started checking out Libreoffice's
Base. It can run on Windows (XP, 7 and 8) or Linux, plus it comes in
an office suite program compatible with word and excel. Immediate
draw of course is that it's free software.
Has anyone in this group experimented with Libreoffice's base yet? I
would appreciate comments, reviews or suggestions about it.
Ed
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of barmag
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 12:08 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Dataperf] Is it time to abandon DP after 24 years?
Hi Everyone;
Haven't heard from our DP friends for a long time. What happened? Has
DP become so defunct that I'm the only one left using it? ; (
Many of my clients and I have upgraded to Win 64-bit but apparently
this new
platform is not quite compatible for DP Dos version and we need to
upgrade to a different database. Although I'm sure no program can ever
be as superb as DP, I would appreciate any suggestion of a more
up-to-date user friendly, simple and great program to replace DP.
I hereby would officially like to thank Lew Bastian, DP's author, and
the crew, for this amazing program I purchased in 1990 and became
addicted to. Any plans of coming out with a Window's version? I would
pay any amount for it.
Malkie
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