Hello Fabio, After Brian weighed in on it, - Brian: I do consider your opinions on DP and other databases very knowledgeable, even if our opinions differ on a proper form of government :-) A hug to Marina and little Robert from me and my wife please. - I started putting my investiagtion on Base to rest, and Fabio your comments just hammered in the last nail. Thanks for sharing it Fabio.
Like probably 50% of the business world, all our machines are still running on XP-32bit. In preparation to changing the whole lot, I purchased one Win7-64b and thus far I've been able to run DP on it using Jos Schaars' vDos. My problem is I still haven't been able to make it start as a batch file with the start DPSpool included. Additionally, I have been unable to make the DP screen in the vDos screen larger for easier viewing. I still have to try out all the proposed settings in subsequent previous emails from Jos and Geert and I hope these were addressed in one of them. Ed. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Fabio Muller Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 10:42 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Dataperf] Is it time to abandon DP after 24 years? Ed, if there is one thing that I can say to you is to forget Base. It's worst than access which is nothing special. Let me tell you one story, Besides I consider myself also a dinosaur, but from neolithic (opposed to some here from paleolithic), and I wasted to much time and effort before discover DP 3 yrs ago. As WP never reigned too much here is South America , some products took too long to arrive and others almost never did. I always needed databases and I was never satisfied with the solutions till I found DP. Most recently I decided to jump into a definitive solution and base seemed to be the answer. Big mistake. Base is just a "front-end" to HSQLDB , a java database that is the main engine of Base. If you search through Open Office forums you will find a lot of problems regarding Base and HSQLDB and a lot of "work-around" that just worked for some user but not for all. The big jump in Base , and people already suggested that, is to move from HSQLDB to SQlite. If this happens, base may start to be more interesting. But besides instabilities, java (eerghhh) e etc.. , what annoyed me a lot it's the time spent to make-up the database. It's a pain in the neck and without that the DB doesn't run. I spent hours putting buttons, texbox, list box, combo boxes and other boxes and you have to configure the width, weight, color, name and so on. It's really a mess. I hate all these visual things. After spend many hours making a database I just stop and thought : There is something wrong here. I remember the old days of Dbase and the things were much simpier than that. It's not possible that we have retrograte that much. So first I started looking for Dbase and Reflex ( a very nice product too, but a flat-file db) which I remember where quite simple and suddenly I found out DP and I felt in love. How may hours, days and month I could have spared if I had discovered it before. I know that for the visual standards of nowadays is something consider quick and dirty. But I can say to you, it's unbeatable even today. You won't find something more easy to make a DB. Forget about Base, the only alternative which I would consider to maybe replace DP in some future would be Dbmax or Dbfree from www.maxsis.it , but these are too much "clipper" for me ( Brian may test them very well) , maybe one day I give a try for them , but for now DP is still perfect. At least for my needs... On 17/03/2014 19:28, Ed Marfil wrote: > Hello Malkie, > > Although I'm one of the stubborn dinosaurs still enamored of DP (since > 1988), I too see the end of this joyride. I've been looking at > alternatives out there and I just started checking out Libreoffice's > Base. It can run on Windows (XP, 7 and 8) or Linux, plus it comes in > an office suite program compatible with word and excel. Immediate > draw of course is that it's free software. > > Has anyone in this group experimented with Libreoffice's base yet? I > would appreciate comments, reviews or suggestions about it. > > Ed > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of barmag > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 12:08 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Dataperf] Is it time to abandon DP after 24 years? > > Hi Everyone; > > Haven't heard from our DP friends for a long time. What happened? Has > DP become so defunct that I'm the only one left using it? ; ( > > Many of my clients and I have upgraded to Win 64-bit but apparently > this new > > platform is not quite compatible for DP Dos version and we need to > upgrade to a different database. Although I'm sure no program can ever > be as superb as DP, I would appreciate any suggestion of a more > up-to-date user friendly, simple and great program to replace DP. > > I hereby would officially like to thank Lew Bastian, DP's author, and > the crew, for this amazing program I purchased in 1990 and became > addicted to. Any plans of coming out with a Window's version? I would > pay any amount for it. > > Malkie > > _______________________________________________ > Dataperf mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.dataperfect.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dataperf > _______________________________________________ Dataperf mailing list [email protected] http://lists.dataperfect.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dataperf _______________________________________________ Dataperf mailing list [email protected] http://lists.dataperfect.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dataperf
