Ed, if there is one thing that I can say to you is to forget Base. It's worst than access which is nothing special. Let me tell you one story, Besides I consider myself also a dinosaur, but from neolithic (opposed to some here from paleolithic), and I wasted to much time and effort before discover DP 3 yrs ago. As WP never reigned too much here is South America , some products took too long to arrive and others almost never did. I always needed databases and I was never satisfied with the solutions till I found DP. Most recently I decided to jump into a definitive solution and base seemed to be the answer. Big mistake. Base is just a "front-end" to HSQLDB , a java database that is the main engine of Base. If you search through Open Office forums you will find a lot of problems regarding Base and HSQLDB and a lot of "work-around" that just worked for some user but not for all. The big jump in Base , and people already suggested that, is to move from HSQLDB to SQlite. If this happens, base may start to be more interesting. But besides instabilities, java (eerghhh) e etc.. , what annoyed me a lot it's the time spent to make-up the database. It's a pain in the neck and without that the DB doesn't run. I spent hours putting buttons, texbox, list box, combo boxes and other boxes and you have to configure the width, weight, color, name and so on. It's really a mess. I hate all these visual things. After spend many hours making a database I just stop and thought : There is something wrong here. I remember the old days of Dbase and the things were much simpier than that. It's not possible that we have retrograte that much. So first I started looking for Dbase and Reflex ( a very nice product too, but a flat-file db) which I remember where quite simple and suddenly I found out DP and I felt in love. How may hours, days and month I could have spared if I had discovered it before. I know that for the visual standards of nowadays is something consider quick and dirty. But I can say to you, it's unbeatable even today. You won't find something more easy to make a DB. Forget about Base, the only alternative which I would consider to maybe replace DP in some future would be Dbmax or Dbfree from www.maxsis.it , but these are too much "clipper" for me ( Brian may test them very well) , maybe one day I give a try for them , but for now DP is still perfect. At least for my needs...

On 17/03/2014 19:28, Ed Marfil wrote:
Hello Malkie,

Although I'm one of the stubborn dinosaurs still enamored of DP (since
1988), I too see the end of this joyride.  I've been looking at alternatives
out there and I just started checking out Libreoffice's Base.  It can run on
Windows (XP, 7 and 8) or Linux, plus it comes in an office suite program
compatible with word and excel.  Immediate draw of course is that it's free
software.

Has anyone in this group experimented with Libreoffice's base yet?  I would
appreciate comments, reviews or suggestions about it.

Ed


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barmag
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 12:08 AM
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Subject: [Dataperf] Is it time to abandon DP after 24 years?

Hi Everyone;

Haven't heard from our DP friends for a long time. What happened? Has DP
become so
defunct that I'm the only one left using it? ; (

Many of my clients and I have upgraded to Win 64-bit but apparently this new

platform is not quite compatible for DP Dos version and we need to upgrade
to a
different database. Although I'm sure no program can ever be as superb as
DP, I would
appreciate any suggestion of a more up-to-date user friendly, simple and
great program
to replace DP.

I hereby would officially like to thank Lew Bastian, DP's author, and the
crew, for this
amazing program I purchased in 1990 and became addicted to. Any plans of
coming
out with a Window's version? I would pay any amount for it.

Malkie

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