Hi Daniel and everybody,

It's a reply for the Daniel's message

I encounter the topic sometimes, how about imapsync back into Debian?

As the author of imapsync, my quick answer is yes, I would be pleased
to see imapsync brought back into Debian!

Now, for the guys who have time to read, I detail my answer below.

> But it  seems that  imapsync is  no longer  available in  the Debian
> repositories [2]  because the  developer was implementing  a payment
> model for  obtaining this  software and then  maybe he  thought that
> Debian could affect their income so he gave a resounding "No" [3] to
> continue distributing it. A very respectable decision, I think.

My final words on this discussion five years ago, in January 2011,

"Do what you want, I promise I won't complain anymore about the
fact imapsync is on Debian or not."
It's here:

Those words are still available today and now I am also able to
transform the previous No in Yes. Even more: Yes, I would be proud to
see imapsync in Debian again!

So why I've changed my mind about imapsync in Debian? Well, the true
reason for my initial "No" was that imapsync in the current Debian of
those times was at least 2 years older than the current public
imapsync (that part is ok) and I was somehow fed up to receive Debian
users bugs reports directly about bugs already fixed upstream for a
long time.

The new business model was secondary since it was a try.  The free and
gratis github copy of imapsync started on the 12 March 2011, just one
month after imapsync was chosen to disappear from Debian Sid. Imapsync
disappearance in Debian was decided by its Debian packager, not by me,
not because of my "no" once clarified by the "do what you want", but
because the packager wanted to package only free and gratis software
from upstream, a respectable condition for someone also working for
free. He also asked me if I wanted to package imapsync in Debian
myself and I didn't take the charge.

Free, gratis, up to date imapsync download sites have always been
there, legally, fully permitted by the author in the license file or
directly. Imapsync has been packaged for a long time in Centos,
Fedora, Gentoo, ArchLinux, FreeBSD, OpenBSD. This has never weakened
my imapsync business, never.  I've now come to the following conclusion
about free software sales (and even non-free): If the price is fair
enough for them, people who want to buy buy, people who don't want to
buy don't buy, no matter the license. Think about when you do buy
software and when you don't, and why. Do it truly, don't fool

> I was checking the official site [4] of imapsync and even though the
> developer seems  to have a  paid business  model, it seems  that the
> source code is still available. In fact he has documented the Debian
> installation process [5] and there he makes mention of downloading a
> tarball.  Although  I  do  not  see  a link  on  where  to  get  the
> tarball. Maybe I'm missing something?

The imapsync Debian installation document
[5] https://imapsync.lamiral.info/INSTALL.d/INSTALL.Debian.txt

The license is now "No limits to do anything with this work and this
license".  Full dist/ is back to https://imapsync.lamiral.info/dist/

So feel free.

Feel free and get free imapsync at https://imapsync.lamiral.info/dist/
or at https://github.com/imapsync/imapsync

Debian folks will prefer github because of the systematic patch the
github maintainer applies, fixing the CVE
for details about that issue.

> It seems that the license [6] has no restrictions
> For the current license, this could make it a candidate for
> incorporation in the Debian repositories again?


Now some of my worries. Quoting
"I am not going to even bother trying to understand if we can actually
distribute imapsync in Debian main given its very unusual license".

"Yes, I agree that it is a somewhat strange license."

I thought that the complete license text, all contained in the simple
sentence "No limits to do anything with this work and this license",
was self-explanatory as one of the most free work license I ever
encountered in the universe.

I failed.

I see that I should write a FAQ about that sentence, explaining what
"no limits" means as well as "anything", maybe also "work" and
"license", a king of classic dictionary indeed. I took my time to
write that license, choosing words that could be understood by any
basic English speaker but I clearly missed this aim.

Now, seeing evidence that "No limits to do anything with this work and
this license" is not well understood, I really wonder, what any other
license longer than a single simple sentence might mean and trigger in
any normal brain?

Thanks for reading.

[3] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=609845#60
[4] https://imapsync.lamiral.info
[5] https://imapsync.lamiral.info/INSTALL.d/INSTALL.Debian.txt
[6] https://imapsync.lamiral.info/NOLIMIT
[7] https://github.com/imapsync/imapsync

Au revoir,
Gilles Lamiral. France, Baulon (35580)
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tel +33 9 51 84 42 42

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