Hello, I have tried out Lazarus on Windows: it seems okay, but my problem is to work in a professional context: I need to work on a platform that is used by clients already, not that I propose: I haven't seen anybody looking for a professional Lazarus programmer! Delphi would be fine but nobody is using it in a professional context: I don't want to move to Mac and use a tool which nobody is using; Java is multiplatform, not as good as Delphi/Pascal but it is widely used and the tools can be Free; I have been using Oracle with many clients: how is the Mac setup for this with Lazarus/Pascal? I do industrial interfacing (parallel, serial and ethernet port), and would have to be able to do this also on the Mac.
The more I think about it, the greatest defect that Delphi has is that it is not really multiplatform: it was never really viable on Linux, and is now not really viable for Windows; if Delphi's new owner limits the product to Windows, I think it will not survive: if it becomes truly multilanguage (Pascal/C++/Java/DotNet/AspNet with perhaps PHP and Basic or language plugins) and truly multiplatform (PC/Mac/Unix-like) it could survive, though it might no longer be recognizable. The ideal would be a unified core structure with IDE plugins, OOP Language plugins and Compiler plugins, the whole thing being modifiable for any OS, programming language or desiner interface< Such a structure would only be possible to develop in a non commercial context (open source?), since it would be contrary to any commercial companies interests! Probably a similar system will evolve on Linux and may render a commercially produced system obsolete, but it will require a long time I think; The Multilanguage/Multiplatform approach would be excellent since it would become the only serious tool for all platforms, and could not be dictated to by any market leader (naming no names!!): Microsoft is unlikely to make a multiplatform version of its development tools and would remain sectorial. I presume that the real future of computing will lie in Intranet/Webservices where the client operating system (any Browser will do) will not matter and that the real work would be done by the OS on the server; One possibility might be if Delphi became Open Source (like Interbase/Firebird) which would at least make it available for any compiler. Perhaps this could be Borland's parting shot to the IDE world, even though I realise that to expect such an altruistic gesture is a little naive. I presume that Borland's decision will have a motive based on commercial reasons and market strategy. I think that this thread is productive, since I am finding it very difficult to know where to go in Delphi's current situation, and I would appreciate hearing other opinions on the subject, Kevin O'Neill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michał Woźniak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [delphi-en] Anybody want to buy Delphi, C++Builder, C# Builder, JBuilder? Hi there Maybe Lazarus/FreePascal is the solution? FreePascal and the Lazarus IDE (and visual components) are natively supported on Mac, it will compile 90% of your existing Delphi code, and what you create on Mac you can compile without any problems on any other supported OS/Architecture (I am actually cross-compiling my projects on Linux, and have perfectly usable Windows' exe files as a result). Whatismore, it's OpenSource, so you don't have to take a penny out of your pocket to try it. Or use it, as a matter of fact. Lazarus' homepage is: http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org They have a very supportive community out there (forums and mailing lists), usually problems get solved within 24h. Cheers mike Dnia sobota, 11 lutego 2006 14:49, [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisał: > Hello Dario, > > Perhaps whoever buys Delphi/Kylix might move to the Mac. > I suppose the graphics libraries might require a lot of work. > It's a smaller market than for the PC so it might not work economically. > I do not work on the Mac, though I am thinking to get some experience: > if it had Delphi, I would find it an easy move; > > My problem is that in Milan, Delphi is not much used (from now on this > will probably get worse); > I have had bad problems with Delphi in the past: its dbexpress driver for > Oracle > was unusable for two years (Delphi 6) without third party drivers > and the problem only resolved with Delphi 7 > (for Delphi 6 they never sorted it out); > > The Delphi 8 and Delphi2005 interfaces were very unstable: > I'm not surprised that Delphi is in trouble; > > From a work point of view, I am moving towards C#, C++ or Java; > I suppose that C# or Java might be the best for Macintosh. > What is your opinion? > > From a professional point of view, I have given up on Delphi except for > maintenance of old programs and reengineering to another language: > > I could not honestly reccomend Delphi to a client for a new project, > even if it is personally my preferred tool: > > - on Windows it can't compete for general use with VisualStudio/DotNet or > Java: > - it's too expensive, though if Delphi disappears, Microsoft will be able > to increase its costs. > - Borlands recent policy decisions do not inspire (Inprise) confidence. > - most client management in Italy have never heard of Borland, though they > know who Microsoft is; > - it might work for a year, but what happens in 5 years? > > It would be strong at making small executables (VCL) without the .Net > libraries, but for most clients this is unimportant; > > Kevin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dario Guerrero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 8:39 PM > Subject: Re: [delphi-en] Anybody want to buy Delphi, C++Builder, C# > Builder, JBuilder? > > > Hi Kevin, > > > > I'm a mac user (and programmer) since 1992, in 1997 I started using > > delphi in the pc world, since then, every year ;), I have asked > > borland about their plans of porting delphi to the mac, but they > > always have told me that they don't have any plan to do it. > > > > Now they have it easier than ever before because of the apple's change > > to intel architecture, but it seems that they aren't very interested. > > It would be nice to have a good visual tool in mac, (RealBasic isn't > > as robust as delphi). > > > > 2006/2/8, Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > These products won't sell in Italy in any case: Delphi has been dead > > > on > > its > > > > feet here for years; > > > The future here seems to be in Java/VisualStudio and there is a glut > > > of underpaid programmers just out of college; > > > It seems that nobody is paying much for IDE tools either, > > therefore........ > > > > I had hoped that Delphi/Kylix might have moved over to Macintosh. > > > I'm off to Ireland!!! (A spot of Delphi to C#/DotNet conversion > > > perhaps, monsieur?) > > > > > > Kevin O'Neill > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "David Bolton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 2:11 AM > > > Subject: [delphi-en] Anybody want to buy Delphi, C++Builder, C# > > > Builder, JBuilder? > > > > > > > Because Borland is selling these product lines off...as of today > > > http://www.borland.com/us/company/news/Tod_Nielsen_customer_shareholder_let >t er_02-08-06.html > > > > > "In addition, Borland announced today that we will be divesting our > > IDE > > > > > product lines, driving even tighter focus on the ALM market. These > > product > > > > > lines include our award-winning Borland Developer Studio (Delphi, > > > > C++ Builder and C# Builder) and JBuilder. Our intent is to create a > > standalone > > > > > business focused on the IDE market, capable of investing in the > > > > opportunities that exist for these product lines and advancing > > developer > > > > > productivity. Borland's IDE business requires a distinct business > > model > > > > and > > > > > > > focused investments different from our ALM business, which targets > > > > the broader software delivery organization. We believe that > > > > separating > > these > > > > > businesses will enable both to flourish and grow more aggressively > > through > > > > > targeted focus and investment. It goes without saying that we will > > > > do everything possible to ensure a successful transition of our > > > > products > > and > > > > > customers to the new entity." > > > > > > > > David Bolton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------- > > > > Home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/delphi-en/ > > > > To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------- > > > Home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/delphi-en/ > > > To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > -- > > un saludo > > > > Dario Guerrero > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------- > > Home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/delphi-en/ > > To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Yahoo! 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