Mike,

>The other thing, you seem to be making a very judgmental opinion of a
technology you haven't even tried. Judge it only if you try it.

If I wrote the statements about speed, do you think I would have done so
without trying it ? I have tried it, for numerous projects now, using
VB.NET, and it sucks! Plain and simple. I have a machine with 1Gb of memory
and it sucks. That is my experience and the experience of my clients. How on
earth can you say I didn't try it ?

>>A decent developer would make sure that they don't write slow code
irrespective of the programming language or platform.
You mean I should have coded a simple form with a single button differently
?

>>Why? Do you have any experience in .NET to support this argument? Have you
seen any .NET commercial stuff?
I have done, but you seem to refute any argument I put forward, or any
experiences I have put forward as null and void. Quite simply VB.NET for
front-end EXE's in my, and my client's opinions, is useless. Maybe C# is
different, but it is supposed to use the same architecture/framework,
doesn't it ? I can say that I have had one or two other experiences with
products from red-gate and it seems to be good, so it must be C# versus VB. 

Don't forget the problems of targetting different .NET frameworks in future,
similar to Java debacles now. Imagine telling a large company (like some of
our customers), that to accept our next product/upgrade they must upgrade
800 desktops. I know what they'd tell me to do!

>>Look we know that Delphi is good, or was prior to D2005, however at times
we have to remove ourselves from this tunnel vision approach
I can assure you I do not have tunnel vision. I have never tried to convince
my clients to go in a particular direction. I offer the options, they make
the choices, I get the work. All fair and balanced. 

.NET is not, in MY opinion, currently a valid option for VB.NET executables.


Regards,
Darren

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Darren McBride
Sent: Monday, 23 May 2005 6:38 PM
To: 'Delphi-Talk Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Ignorance

I know you all are having problems with Delphi 2005, but this charge into
.NET only seems to be taking hold in the US. Over here in Europe we are a
bit more relaxed about adopting this SLOWER technology (and no-one can tell
me different), and it is only being adopted for tiny projects in any of my
clients at present. We are working with Delphi for the front-end of one of
our core products, and based on what I am seeing from .NET during our
consultancy projects, you would be all advised to recommed to your clients
to take a more reticent and measured approach to the roll-out of .NET for
application EXE's. It sucks. I can nearly see the form being painted it is
so slow.

.NET may be great for middle-tier or web apps, but I prefer to stick to
plain old Delphi for EXE's and will do for the next few years. I don't want
my clients accusing me of writing slow code!! Delphi 6 will be with me for
some time yet.

Good luck to those who change over though.

Darren 


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