No objections :) Op vr 27 okt 2023 om 18:55 schreef Oscar Westra van Holthe - Kind < os...@westravanholthe.nl>:
> Hi all, > > On a related note, I'd also like to use the final logo as plugin icon and > as (part of the) file icon in the JetBrains Pugin I maintain. Are there any > objections to that? > > > Kind regards, > Oscar > > -- > Oscar Westra van Holthe - Kind <os...@westravanholthe.nl> > > > On Fr 27 oct 2023 18:17, Ryan Skraba <r...@skraba.com> wrote: > > > Hey -- oops, this was stuck in "drafts". > > > > I did a bit of investigation!: > > > > 1) it looks like we ONLY need to submit the svg, and the others > > (png/pdf) will be autocreated. Here's what other projects do: > > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/project-logos/originals/ > > > > Note that some of the projects have many variants -- Cassandra has a > > lot. (vertical/horizontal, dark/light/black&white) I don't think we > > need every combination, and we can add future ones as desired. > > > > 2) How does this sound: I suggest we leave any final changes (fonts > > and variants) to Emma's discretion and adopt it by lazy consensus. > > > > Totally subjective, but when it was pointed out to me (that the word > > "Avro" only shows serifs on the "r"), I really noticed it... but that > > rapidly passed. I really have no opinion and I have more confidence > > in a designer's eye than my own! > > > > All my best, Ryan > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 5:55 PM Emma K <emma.a.kel...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Thank you Ryan for your guidance throughout my first contribution, > Oscar > > > for your help driving the vote, and everyone for your kind words, > > feedback, > > > and votes! :D > > > This was so much fun to work on and I'm so grateful for the opportunity > > to > > > help the community in this regard :) > > > > > > Now for the next steps! If we're unsure about the current font chosen > (PT > > > Mono Bold) I have 3 other fonts I shortlisted when creating the initial > > > drafts of the designs that we can compare to the existing one. If we'd > > like > > > to go this route, I can upload the alternative font versions to the > > > AVRO-3554 JIRA issue and we can do one more quick vote for the final > > font. > > > However, if we're happy with the current font chosen for the logo we > can > > > jump right into creating the versions to upload to the Apache Project > > Logos > > > website! > > > > > > On the Apache Project Logos page, it looks like it's the convention to > > > upload two PNG versions (a 1200 x ___ size, and a 3600 x ___ size), a > PDF > > > version, and an SVG version, so I'll start by creating all those > versions > > > of V9.2 logo design. It also looks like a lot of projects upload a > square > > > version of the design (the icon on top of the logo text; ex. Version 2 > of > > > Apache Airflow), so I can create a square layout for the logo to go > along > > > with the banner version (icon beside the logo text) that we already > have. > > > Some projects also upload a version that can be used on dark > backgrounds > > > (ex. Version 2 of Apache Calcite) so if we'd also like to do that as > well > > > I'm more than happy to make some dark mode versions too! Finally, some > > > projects upload their logo icons on their own without any text (ex. > > Version > > > 3 of Apache Airflow), and I can also do that if we'd like. > > > > > > Please let me know your thoughts, in the meantime, I'll start getting > to > > > work on either creating the alternate font options for another vote or > > the > > > final format versions :D > > > > > > All my best, > > > Emma > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 10:55 AM Ryan Skraba <r...@skraba.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Thanks so much Emma for the contribution and Oscar for driving the > > > > vote! :D This has been a fun thing to do -- I would love to see the > > > > pigeon immortalized someplace! Maybe on a website page for credits > > > > and contributors? > > > > > > > > Emma, what do you think we need to finalize the logo? I'm starting a > > > > list of places that need to be updated, starting at > > > > https://www.apache.org/logos/ ! > > > > > > > > All my best, Ryan > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 10:04 AM Oscar Westra van Holthe - Kind > > > > <os...@westravanholthe.nl> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > > > The vote should have ended yesterday, but somehow we managed to > more > > than > > > > > double the number of votes and still get the same outcome. The > > current > > > > > tally (all votes) is 5 votes for each option. > > > > > > > > > > So we're (again) at a tie. > > > > > > > > > > To force a conclusion, I'd like to resort to some arbitrary but > > hopefully > > > > > acceptable way to break the tie. By removing my own vote we'll get > a > > > > simple > > > > > majority for one of the options (the same that failed to reach a +2 > > > > > majority the previous round). > > > > > > > > > > This then brings the final tally to: > > > > > > > > > > - 5 votes for V9.2 (the plane) > > > > > - 4 votes for V3.1 (the pigeon) > > > > > > > > > > Which means that the winner is: *V9.2* (the plane) > > > > > > > > > > Thank you all for voting! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > Oscar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 at 13:51, Fokko Driesprong <fo...@apache.org> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the explanation, Emma! > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote still goes to 9.2 > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Fokko > > > > > > > > > > > > Op ma 23 okt 2023 om 07:39 schreef Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > v9.2 for me. I definitely prefer the blue color and I really > > don’t > > > > get > > > > > > > the pigeon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 23, 2023, at 5:04 AM, Oscar Westra van Holthe - Kind < > > > > > > > os...@westravanholthe.nl> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TL;DR: if you haven't voted yet, please do so! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Emma has shown that an upwards angle change for V9.2 > doesn't > > > > work, I > > > > > > > > think we should drop that version from the vote. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This means, with the (binding) votes so far, that the result > > is a > > > > tie: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - V9.2: 2 votes > > > > > > > > - V3.1: 2 votes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note: not everyone who voted the first round has voted again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *So if you have an opinion on the Avro logo, please vote!* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On a side note: when I count all votes, there is no tie > > (there's an > > > > > > extra > > > > > > > > vote for v3.1). So if there are no additional votes, we can > > still > > > > have > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > > > Oscar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 20 Oct 2023 at 16:42, Emma K < > emma.a.kel...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Oops! I realized there is a typo in my last message. I wrote > > that > > > > V3.2 > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > >> finalist (the pigeon without the outlines) instead of V3.1 > as > > a > > > > > > finalist > > > > > > > >> (the pigeon with the outlines), my mistake! > > > > > > > >> The finalists are V9.2 (or V11.2 if you prefer upwards) and > > V3.1 > > > > > > > >> Apologies for the confusion! > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> All the best, > > > > > > > >> Emma > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 9:46 AM Niels Basjes < > ni...@basjes.nl > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> Hi, > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> I had a good look at the logos and the pigeon version (v3.2 > > > > without > > > > > > the > > > > > > > >>> line around it) has my preference. > > > > > > > >>> That said I'm totally fine if we use the v9.2 which also > > looks > > > > > > awesome. > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> Niels > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 2:37 PM Ryan Skraba < > r...@skraba.com > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>> All of this is amazing -- it's really awesome for me to > hear > > > > your > > > > > > > >>>> thought processes and arguments for the design. I think > > we're > > > > > > pretty > > > > > > > >>>> lucky to have this insight! My apologies for the delay, I > > just > > > > got > > > > > > > >>>> back from a vacation following the conference :D > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> I wish I had better expressed the positive sentiment we > got > > for > > > > the > > > > > > > >>>> designs when I was showing them off in person. I passed > > along > > > > the > > > > > > > >>>> suggestions because they were interesting, but definitely > > NOT > > > > > > > >>>> presented as mandatory. There will be ZERO hard feelings > if > > we > > > > make > > > > > > > >>>> our own decision! > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> I didn't say it in the first mail, but my subjective > > opinion is > > > > to > > > > > > > >>>> *disagree* with changing the airplane angle upwards. > Paper > > > > > > airplanes > > > > > > > >>>> that travel well *coast* easily (like Avro data). > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> I maintain my v9.2 vote! > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 6:59 AM David M. Carr < > > > > da...@carrclan.us> > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> Great work on these, Emma. My preference is for V3.2. > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 2:37 PM Emma K < > > > > emma.a.kel...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > >>> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Hi all, > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> I uploaded some new images to the Jira issue here < > > > > > > > >>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AVRO-3554> to > > visually > > > > > > > >> capture > > > > > > > >>>> the > > > > > > > >>>>>> suggestions for adjusting the upward angle design. > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> I wanted to show what it looks like if the upward angle > > of the > > > > > > > >> plane > > > > > > > >>>> logo > > > > > > > >>>>>> is changed so that the underside is visible. The problem > > is > > > > that > > > > > > > >> the > > > > > > > >>>> blobby > > > > > > > >>>>>> bits of the tail block the underside of the plane when > > > > adjusted to > > > > > > > >>>> this new > > > > > > > >>>>>> angle and make the design less clean and even less > > obvious as > > > > to > > > > > > > >> what > > > > > > > >>>> the > > > > > > > >>>>>> icon is, which is why in the original upward design > V11.2 > > I > > > > didn't > > > > > > > >>> add > > > > > > > >>>> any > > > > > > > >>>>>> underside and instead opted for a cleaner but more > > abstract > > > > > > > >>>> representation > > > > > > > >>>>>> of the plane icon. > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> I also wanted to show what it looks like if I just > rotate > > the > > > > V9.2 > > > > > > > >>>> design > > > > > > > >>>>>> to an upward angle with no other changes. This also > > doesn't > > > > work, > > > > > > > >>>> because > > > > > > > >>>>>> the flow of the blobs isn't right for this orientation > > and the > > > > > > > >>>> underside of > > > > > > > >>>>>> the plane isn't right for this angle. > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> To clarify a bit on what I wrote previously, I said that > > it > > > > was > > > > > > > >> valid > > > > > > > >>>> and > > > > > > > >>>>>> made sense that the marketing booth preferred the > > upward-angle > > > > > > > >>> design. > > > > > > > >>>> When > > > > > > > >>>>>> I said that, I did not mean to suggest that the upward > > angle > > > > was > > > > > > > >>> better > > > > > > > >>>>>> than the other designs, what I meant to do was just > > validate > > > > that > > > > > > > >> it > > > > > > > >>>> was > > > > > > > >>>>>> okay for them to have that preference! The thing that's > > hard > > > > about > > > > > > > >>>> design > > > > > > > >>>>>> is that it's so subjective and everyone will have their > > own > > > > unique > > > > > > > >>>> opinions > > > > > > > >>>>>> on what looks better. > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> But again, I want to make sure that the logo is > something > > > > that the > > > > > > > >>>> *Avro > > > > > > > >>>>>> community* loves and agrees upon! I'm worried that the > > passing > > > > > > > >>>> subjective > > > > > > > >>>>>> preference of the marketing and publicity office at the > > > > Community > > > > > > > >>> Over > > > > > > > >>>> Code > > > > > > > >>>>>> conference is casting its own 'shadow vote' here which > is > > > > taking > > > > > > > >> away > > > > > > > >>>> from > > > > > > > >>>>>> the gut feelings of the Avro community as a whole. I > would > > > > just > > > > > > > >> like > > > > > > > >>> to > > > > > > > >>>>>> encourage everyone to pick the design they like best in > > the > > > > final > > > > > > > >>> vote, > > > > > > > >>>>>> because at the end of the day, the logo that's chosen > will > > > > > > > >> ultimately > > > > > > > >>>> be > > > > > > > >>>>>> what represents Avro the project, and you as the > > > > contributors, not > > > > > > > >>> the > > > > > > > >>>>>> marketing and publicity office. > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> To conclude, I don't think I'll be doing any additional > > > > revisions > > > > > > > >> of > > > > > > > >>>> the > > > > > > > >>>>>> icons themselves in the future, so the options for the > > logos > > > > will > > > > > > > >> be > > > > > > > >>>> V9.2 > > > > > > > >>>>>> (or V.11.2 if you want an upward angle) and V3.2. I will > > be > > > > > > > >> uploading > > > > > > > >>>> some > > > > > > > >>>>>> revisions for the font used in the final design (once a > > > > winner is > > > > > > > >>>> chosen) > > > > > > > >>>>>> to see if there is a better alternative on that front, > but > > > > > > > >> otherwise, > > > > > > > >>>> the > > > > > > > >>>>>> icon designs themselves will remain the same. Thanks > again > > > > for all > > > > > > > >>> your > > > > > > > >>>>>> patience and feedback throughout the process! > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> All my best, > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Emma > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 5:22 AM Fokko Driesprong < > > > > > > fo...@apache.org > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Great work again! > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Based on what I was taught when studying graphic > design, > > > > icons > > > > > > > >>> for > > > > > > > >>>>>> logos > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> should be memorable and have the simplest possible > > design to > > > > > > > >>>> convey the > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> desired image > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Thanks for the background information Emma, this makes > a > > lot > > > > of > > > > > > > >>>> sense to > > > > > > > >>>>>>> me. > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> This is, I believe, because the angle of V11.2 hides > the > > > > > > > >> underside: > > > > > > > >>>> this > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> makes the plane look incomplete. > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> I agree, it is not obvious that it is a paper plane > > (which I > > > > like > > > > > > > >>> as > > > > > > > >>>> a > > > > > > > >>>>>>> reference, because of childhood :) Both the pigeon and > > the > > > > paper > > > > > > > >>>> plane > > > > > > > >>>>>> are > > > > > > > >>>>>>> awesome. Maybe the plane is a bit more timeless, while > > the > > > > pigeon > > > > > > > >>>> might > > > > > > > >>>>>>> bring up IP over Avian Carriers > > > > > > > >>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_Carriers > >. > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> I'll vote for V9.2 pointing slightly upwards as well. > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Kind regards, > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Fokko > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Op di 17 okt 2023 om 14:54 schreef Oscar Westra van > > Holthe - > > > > > > > >> Kind < > > > > > > > >>>>>>> opw...@apache.org>: > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Hi all, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> The results yesterday show that V9.2 is perceived as > > better > > > > > > > >> than > > > > > > > >>>> V11.2, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> despite being angled downward. This is, I believe, > > because > > > > the > > > > > > > >>>> angle of > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> V11.2 hides the underside: this makes the plane look > > > > > > > >> incomplete. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> My vote is for V9.2 if changed to fly upward, V3.1 > > > > otherwise. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Kind regards, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Oscar > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 at 21:46, Emma K < > > > > emma.a.kel...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > >>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Hi all, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Thank you for your kind words throughout the process > > and > > > > > > > >> vote! > > > > > > > >>> I > > > > > > > >>>>>> wanted > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> to > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> refrain from jumping in earlier lest I accidentally > > > > > > > >> influenced > > > > > > > >>>> the > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> initial > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> vote in any way! > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Just wanted to hop in now and give my thoughts on the > > > > > > > >>> suggestions > > > > > > > >>>>>> Ryan > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> received at the Community Over Code conference and > > Oscar's > > > > > > > >>>> suggestion > > > > > > > >>>>>>> of > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> another possible upwards variant. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I'll start with Oscar's suggestion first, which also > > ties > > > > > > > >> into > > > > > > > >>>> the > > > > > > > >>>>>>> first > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> point of advice Ryan received from the marketing and > > > > > > > >> publicity > > > > > > > >>>>>> office. > > > > > > > >>>>>>> If > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> we'd like to follow ASF's marketing team's intuition > > that > > > > the > > > > > > > >>>> upward > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> design > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> of 11.2 is better than the downward design of 9.2 I > > think > > > > > > > >>> that's > > > > > > > >>>>>> valid > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> and > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> makes sense! If this is the case, then I would > suggest > > we > > > > use > > > > > > > >>> the > > > > > > > >>>>>> 11.2 > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> design rather than the 9.2 design, and I can make > some > > > > slight > > > > > > > >>>>>>> adjustments > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> to the angle of the plane as we see fit. I'll add > that > > I > > > > am a > > > > > > > >>>> little > > > > > > > >>>>>>> more > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> hesitant about this approach only because the 11.2 > > design > > > > did > > > > > > > >>> not > > > > > > > >>>>>> beat > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> out > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> or tie with the votes of design 9.2 in the first > round > > of > > > > > > > >>>> voting, and > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> ultimately I would like the final logo to be > something > > that > > > > > > > >> the > > > > > > > >>>>>>> community > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> as a whole loves and agrees upon! > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> The next suggestion Ryan received was based on the PT > > Mono > > > > > > > >> font > > > > > > > >>>>>> being a > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> little strange for the word 'Avro' as the r is the > only > > > > > > > >> serifed > > > > > > > >>>>>> letter. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> This is something I didn't notice before but they are > > > > right! > > > > > > > >> I > > > > > > > >>>>>> actually > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> already have five other fonts on the backburner that > I > > > > tried > > > > > > > >>>> when I > > > > > > > >>>>>> was > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> drafting the original design versions but I > personally > > > > liked > > > > > > > >>> the > > > > > > > >>>> PT > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Mono > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> font the best so gave that as the only option (which > in > > > > > > > >>> hindsight > > > > > > > >>>>>> might > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> not > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> have been the best choice). What I can do is once the > > final > > > > > > > >>> icon > > > > > > > >>>> is > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> chosen > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> as the winner (either the plane or the pigeon) I can > > draft > > > > > > > >> up a > > > > > > > >>>> few > > > > > > > >>>>>>> more > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> versions with the alternate font choices and we can > > decide > > > > if > > > > > > > >>>> one of > > > > > > > >>>>>>> the > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> other fonts will work better in the long run. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Finally, in terms of the last suggestion from the > > marketing > > > > > > > >> and > > > > > > > >>>>>>> publicity > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> office of having the word Avro in the plane's dark > > blue, I > > > > > > > >> have > > > > > > > >>>> to > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> respectfully disagree with this assessment. The area > of > > > > dark > > > > > > > >>>> blue in > > > > > > > >>>>>>> the > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> plane icons is so small that even at large sizes it > > would > > > > be > > > > > > > >>>>>> difficult > > > > > > > >>>>>>> to > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> read 'Avro' if it was there, and at small sizes, it > > would > > > > be > > > > > > > >>>>>> impossible > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> to > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> parse. Based on what I was taught when studying > graphic > > > > > > > >> design, > > > > > > > >>>> icons > > > > > > > >>>>>>> for > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> logos should be memorable and have the simplest > > possible > > > > > > > >> design > > > > > > > >>>> to > > > > > > > >>>>>>> convey > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> the desired image. As an example of this, think of > > Apple's > > > > > > > >>> logo, > > > > > > > >>>>>> which > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> is a > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> simplistic apple icon with a chunk missing. I would > > posit > > > > > > > >> that > > > > > > > >>> if > > > > > > > >>>>>> Apple > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote 'Apple' on their icon, it wouldn't be nearly as > > > > > > > >>> effective. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> That's my 2¢ anyways! I'm happy to make more > > adjustments to > > > > > > > >> the > > > > > > > >>>> fonts > > > > > > > >>>>>>> and > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> the angles of the icons as we see fit, and I'm so > > excited > > > > to > > > > > > > >>> see > > > > > > > >>>>>> which > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> design will be the final winner in the end! :D > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> All my best, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Emma > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 16, 2023 at 12:33 PM Oscar Westra van > > Holthe - > > > > > > > >>> Kind < > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> os...@westravanholthe.nl> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Hi all, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> The results are in: with 6 binding votes (all cast > > within > > > > 6 > > > > > > > >>>> hours), > > > > > > > >>>>>>> and > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> no > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> non-binding votes, it's a near-tie between V9.2 and > > V3.1. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> These are the votes: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> - V9.2: 3 votes > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> - V10.2: 1 vote > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> - V11.2: 0 votes > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> - V3.1: 2 votes (I changed the vote for V6.1, as > the > > > > > > > >> V3.1 > > > > > > > >>>>>> variant > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> was > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> part of the vote) > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> What's next: one week to vote by simple majority > > between > > > > > > > >> V9.2 > > > > > > > >>>> and > > > > > > > >>>>>>> V3.1. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> (given our quick votes last time, it's probably more > > than > > > > > > > >>>> enough) > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Then, if we choose for V9.2, perhaps Emma can also > > create > > > > a > > > > > > > >>>> good > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> version > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> flying > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> slightly upward > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> < > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://clipart-library.com/newhp/31-316437_transparent-airplane-clipart-paper-airplane-clipart-png-png.png > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> instead > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> of steeply like V11.2. I think we can leave it up to > > her > > > > > > > >> good > > > > > > > >>>>>>> judgement > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> to > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> determine if that's really an improvement. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> So, which do you like more: the plane V9.2, or the > > pigeon > > > > > > > >>> V3.1? > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Kind regards, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Oscar > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 9 Oct 2023 at 22:54, Ryan Skraba < > > r...@skraba.com > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Hello! I don't want to derail the conversation or > > vote, > > > > > > > >> but > > > > > > > >>>> I had > > > > > > > >>>>>>> the > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> opportunity to attend the marketing and publicity > > office > > > > > > > >>>> hours > > > > > > > >>>>>>> during > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> the > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> community over Code conference. They had some > pretty > > > > > > > >>> specific > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> suggestions > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> (but not requirements of course). I'm on my phone > > but I > > > > > > > >>> just > > > > > > > >>>> want > > > > > > > >>>>>>> to > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> capture them here! > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 1. Plane going up is better than down! > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 2. PT Mono is peculiar for our specific word > because > > the > > > > > > > >> r > > > > > > > >>>> has > > > > > > > >>>>>>> serifs > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> and > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the others don't. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 3. If we use the arrow, it would look great to have > > the > > > > > > > >>> word > > > > > > > >>>> Avro > > > > > > > >>>>>>> in > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> the > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> plane's dark blue! > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> It was a neat conversation and they said some > really > > nice > > > > > > > >>>> things > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> about > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> initiative! > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> If we do anything about 2 or 3, we can talk about > any > > > > > > > >>>> adjustments > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> after > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> vote. To be honest, I'm 100% confident with these > > current > > > > > > > >>>> logos > > > > > > > >>>>>> and > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> leaving > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> any changes to Emma's discretion! > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> All my bets Ryan > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023, 13:08 Ryan Blue < > > b...@tabular.io> > > > > > > > >>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> My vote is for 10.2. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 9:02 AM Oscar Westra van > > Holthe > > > > > > > >> - > > > > > > > >>>> Kind < > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> os...@westravanholthe.nl> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Since the start, I've been a fan of the pigeon. > It > > > > > > > >>> looks > > > > > > > >>>>>> good, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> and > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> it's > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> very distinctive. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> And it's completely different from any send icon, > > so > > > > > > > >> it > > > > > > > >>>>>> cannot > > > > > > > >>>>>>> be > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> conflated > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> with a message protocol icon. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> My vote is for V3.1 > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Oscar > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> ✉️ Oscar Westra van Holthe - Kind < > > opw...@apache.org > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> 🌐 https://github.com/opwvhk/ > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Op ma 2 okt. 2023 16:47 schreef Ryan Skraba < > > > > > > > >>>> r...@skraba.com > > > > > > > >>>>>>> : > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't stop changing my mind, but I'm going to > go > > > > > > > >>> with > > > > > > > >>>>>> V9.2 > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> -- I > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> really like the pigeon too, but I think the > paper > > > > > > > >>> plane > > > > > > > >>>>>> fits > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> too > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> nicely to pass up! > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Excellent work, Emma, and thanks Oscar for > calling > > > > > > > >>> the > > > > > > > >>>>>> vote. > > > > > > > >>>>>>> I > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> think > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> your voting proposal makes sense! > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 3:59 PM Ismaël Mejía < > > > > > > > >>>>>>> ieme...@gmail.com > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> V9.2 > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like Fokko I was also not so close to the > subject > > > > > > > >>>> and it > > > > > > > >>>>>> is > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> great > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> to > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see the final selection. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It looks so great. Thanks for all the work Emma > > > > > > > >> and > > > > > > > >>>>>>> everyone! > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ismaël > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 3:23 PM Fokko > Driesprong < > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> fo...@apache.org> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Oscar, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for raising this vote. I wasn't active > > > > > > > >> in > > > > > > > >>>> the > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> conversation > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around the new logo, but I followed it from > the > > > > > > > >>>>>> sideline. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> The > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> new > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> logos are > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fantastic. Kudos to Emma. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I really like the pigeon, especially the one > > > > > > > >> with > > > > > > > >>>> the > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> envelope! > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> My > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> vote > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> goes to V6.1 if I can't vote on the > alternative > > > > > > > >>>> version > > > > > > > >>>>>>> :) > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, Fokko > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op ma 2 okt 2023 om 14:14 schreef Oscar Westra > > > > > > > >>> van > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Holthe - > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Kind > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> < > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> os...@westravanholthe.nl>: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello everyone, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The past month, there has been new progress > > > > > > > >> on > > > > > > > >>>> our > > > > > > > >>>>>>> search > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> for a > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> new > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> logo ( > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AVRO-3554 < > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AVRO-3554 > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> ). > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Emma Kellam and the feedback we've all given, > > > > > > > >>> we > > > > > > > >>>> can > > > > > > > >>>>>>> now > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> proceed > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> to > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> vote on > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the matter. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> These are the finalists to choose from (if > > > > > > > >> the > > > > > > > >>>> image > > > > > > > >>>>>> is > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> unreadable, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> links to the comment where the finalists are > > > > > > > >>>>>>> announced): > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AVRO-3554?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=17770969#comment-17770969 > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So now, we can vote. Because a logo lasts > > > > > > > >>> longer > > > > > > > >>>>>> than a > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> typical > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> release, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the rules deviate from the usual rules > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting>: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - the vote lasts 2 weeks > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - to avoid confusion, please vote with the > > > > > > > >>>> V... > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> ifentifier: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> V9.2, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> V10.2, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> V11.2, V3.1 > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - the winner is the logo with at least two > > > > > > > >>> (2) > > > > > > > >>>>>> votes > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> more > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> than > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> runner-up > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - if there is no clear winner, we'll vote > > > > > > > >> by > > > > > > > >>>>>> simple > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> majority > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> between the > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> top picks > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please vote for your preference! > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oscar > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ✉️ Oscar Westra van Holthe - Kind < > > > > > > > >>>> opw...@apache.org > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 🌐 https://github.com/opwvhk/ > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> -- > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Blue > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Tabular > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> -- > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> ✉️ Oscar Westra van Holthe - Kind < > > > > > > > >> os...@westravanholthe.nl> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> -- > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Oscar Westra van Holthe - Kind < > > os...@westravanholthe.nl> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> -- > > > > > > > >>>>> David M. Carr > > > > > > > >>>>> da...@carrclan.us > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> -- > > > > > > > >>> Best regards / Met vriendelijke groeten, > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> Niels Basjes > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ✉️ Oscar Westra van Holthe - Kind <os...@westravanholthe.nl> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Daniel Kulp > > > > > > > dk...@apache.org <mailto:dk...@apache.org> > > > > > > > Qlik - https://qlik.com <https://qlik.com/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > ✉️ Oscar Westra van Holthe - Kind <os...@westravanholthe.nl> > > > > > > >
