Hi Daniel, On Sun, Feb 20, 2005 at 09:49:43PM -0500, Daniel Carrera wrote: > Christian Lohmaier wrote: > > > > If Daniel has to wait months for "someone to do the final step" how > > > long are other people going to wait for that individual to magically > > > appear and make the change. > > > > Don't you read what I write? > > The problem is that he waits for months instead of keeping nagging about > > it. > > I'm not sure that you are reading what Jonathon and I have been writing.
I read it. By I have been believing what Jonathan wrote before I checked. >From his and your posts I had the impression that you did file issues. But you didn't. So the statement above is of course wrong. > First you said I just tell people that things don't work but don't offer > fixes. I explaind you were wrong, I do offer fixes. Then you said it was > because I didn't file issues. I explained you were wrong, I do file > issues. I searched issuezilla and even posted all relevant issues. None of these took ages. You do not file issues. Prove that I'm wrong by posting the issue ids. Again: Proposing something on a mailinglist will have nothing changes. The only thing you get is an "ok" or "naah, we don't want that". For the actual change you either need someone who can do the change immediately or file an issue. > You now say that I don't nag about it. Becasue I answered Jonathan who claimed that issues from you are lying around unanswered for month. Because I believed him, I wrote the above. Now that I know that the claim is wrong, I take this back. It would be still valid if you (or anybody else) did file issues that are lying around and for those you (the reporter) are waiting for an answer silently. > Once again, you are wrong, > I press hard and fight tooth and nail for them. Bla bla. How many times do I have to write that I appreciate your efforts and don't deny them! But they lack the final step! Come on and show me the issues! > I have said this several > times before actually, but you still don't seem to read what we write. No. My fault was to believe that what I read is the truth. > Furthermore, this sequence of arguments suggests that you really have no > idea of what I do at the project, but pretend that you do by making up > things like "you don't file issues" without actually finding out if that's > true or not. Again: I searched issuezilla. I checked each one of the results. I even posted the numbers here. Just show me the issues you are talking about. > One final point about nagging. The ammount of effort I have to exhert to > get even the simplest change made (a typo, a link) is extraordinary and > completely inexcusable. Again: show me the issue! > [...] > > I don't want to say that Daniel "did nothing"! > [snip] > > You cannot expect others to do your work. > > Do you see your contradicting yourself? No. I'm not contradicting myself. Again: I don't deny that you spend a lot of time and made big efforts on your proposals. But it seems that all of these lack /only/ the final step. Furthermore you don't quote me right. That "you cannot expect others to do your work" was an answer to: ,---- | > > if nobody cares about it, then do it yourself (do It yourself means: | > > find someone to upload the files). | > | > That is _no_ way to run a business, much less a volunteer project like | > OOo. `---- -> If the issue is lying around, you cannot expect others to push the issue. No matter how much effort you put in creating the issue and its prerequisites - if you let the issue age without action, nothing will be done. Again: Having an issue age without action is surely not the thing that should happen at all, but life sucks and things like this do happen. So if there is no action -> ask again for an update. Your issues show that having an issue lying around without action is /not/ the usual case. > You repeatedly say that I expect people to do the work for me, 1st of all: "you" in this case was not directed to you (Daniel) specifically. > and when we > show that this isn't true you claim that you didn't say that... only to > say it again 2 lines later. No. You don't show that. You keep claiming that. You simply quote me wrong. > > His request to have a link changed for the user guide has been fixed one > > day after submission of the issue. (34089) > > His request for write access to www was handled the same day the issue > > has been filed (34416) > > The issue for the files from OOoauthors has been filed on Saturday, on > > the next Monday the issue was fixed (35658) > > You don't follow the documentation project much, do you? Or the website > project? What has this to do with you not filing issues for the things you want to have changed? What has /any/ project to do with that. The mentioned issues are the only ones that relate to a change on the website at all. And this is what's the deal of this whole discussion: "Contributions are not appreciated, it takes ages to have them integrated" You other issues regarding the office suite don't count because there is no contribution yet. > Are you familiar with the relationship between the OOoAuthors > project and Docs? Are you aware that Docs was not the project under > discussion in this thread? Instead of playing the wild guy: Just name the issues and I will shut up. Here the initial problem is www (but you cant deny that in the meantime this now invoved to "contributions to OOo in general". So what? ciao Christian -- NP: Raging Speedhorn - Knives And Faces --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
