>- see footer for list info -< Railo anyone? On 31/07/07, Gary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >- see footer for list info -< > You can't cluster/failover with Std which is a key feature of Ent, and so > too are the 'unrestricted' threads for email and PDF creation. Neither are > disabled or thread-limited if you use .NET. Okay, for PDF you'd need a 3rd > party library but there are good free ones or cheap commercial ones and > they're fairly easy to use, nothing a .NET programmer could take in their > stride. <cfexchange> yes, that's a very cool tag and I would have loved it > 5 > years ago when I was programming intranet apps that linked in to Exchange > and my client would have accepted the Ent price tag because of the > unquestionable benefits it would bring. But my Internet sites don't need > to > connect to Exchange. > > Where are you getting the £300 increase from? CF7 when launched was around > the £3500 mark. I can't find any official pages to confirm this though. > > Now that I've got more involved with the business side of things I have to > look at CF as "just a programming language". My heart is telling me that > it > doesn't like this thought but look at it from the client's point of view - > they're charged £1000 for the server, a few £K for the services we > provide, > then £4.5K for CF. It gets harder to justify. If the license was lower I > may > pick up more clients, then Adobe would get more sales. Look what they did > to > Flex in order to boost its popularity. I'm not saying to do the same > thing, > but it needs to be a more viable option for new businesses/developers > which > means it needs to be more affordable given the competition. e.g. Do you > hire > CF guys and pay £9K to run it on a cluster of 2, or .NET guys and pay £0 > to > run it on as many servers as you like? > > Gary > > On 7/31/07, Andy Allan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > >- see footer for list info -< > > One thing to bare in mind is that whilst the US see a $2,500 price > > increase for Enterprise, here in the UK we are only seeing a £300 > > increase. > > > > Additionally, bare in mind one of the reasons the UK is complaining so > > much right now is because the Pound is absolutely stomping on the > > Dollar. If the exchange rate was more favourable to the Dollar we > > wouldn't be seeing anywhere near as many complaints. > > > > Going back to 2002, the exchange rater was around $1.34 to the Pound > > (compared to $2.02 right now). That equates to a big difference in > > pricing outside of the US. > > > > Am I defending Adobe over this? Yes and no. > > > > Yes, because the exchange rate is one of the major forces behind why > > there is such a price differential, however I agree that they should be > > doing something to help ease this ... > > > > ... maybe the fact that here in the UK we have only seen a £300 increase > > on Enterprise compared to $2,500 in the US is Adobe being nice? > > > > Additionally, can you really complain about paying £4k-ish for > > ENTERPRISE level software. Go get a quote for Websphere or Weblogic , > > then factor in how much time it would take you to code something like > > <cfexchange> and tell me that ColdFusion Enterprise isn't a bargain. > > Seriously. > > > > Also, if you don't need the clustering, fail over and high performance > > features of Enterprise then use Standard. Just about every feature of > > Enterprise is now in Standard, including gateways, yet it's price hasn't > > changed. OK, you may not get Server Monitoring, but go spend a couple of > > hundred quid on Fusion Reactor and you're sorted. > > > > Come on folks we need to remember that ColdFusion isn't *just* a > > programming language; there's way much more to it than that. Seriously, > > go write some code to connect to Microsoft Exchange to integrate with > > your inbox, calendar, contacts and task list then come back and talk to > > me about costs. > > > > On a different note, in regards subscriptions ... if you get no joy with > > Customer Service here in the UK (who are still goddam abysmal) give me a > > shout offline and I'll get you sorted by someone at Adobe who does know > > what they are doing. > > > > Andy > > > > Gary wrote: > > >> - see footer for list info -< > > >> > > > The good news is that CF8 has launched (I like the Tim Buntel demos) > but > > the > > > price has been hiked - the opposite to what many people were hoping. > > > Enterprise is $7499 (£3750) from the US Adobe store and a whopping > > £4539+VAT > > > from the UK store. > > > > > > CF7 was $5999 so that's a $1500 hike. The new features are great but > the > > > price is even more of a deterrent for developers and clients to take > to > > CF, > > > and also for existing users who want to add more servers. In recent > > months > > > BlueDragon have made their license much cheaper in some configurations > > and I > > > heard they can offer SPLA for hosting services (pay as you go). > > > > > > To put it in perspective you can buy *FOUR* brand new dual core, 2Gb, > > RAID1 > > > servers with Windows Server 2003 licenses running .NET for the price > of > > 1 > > > CF8 license. > > > > > > Anyhue, apologies for using this mailing list as a blog but I do have > a > > > question. I took out a subscription with CF7 but I don't know how to > use > > it > > > to upgrade to CF8. Would my license key simply be accepted by CF8 or > do > > I > > > need to contact Adobe Sales for a new license key? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Gary F. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > For details on ALL mailing lists and for joining or leaving lists, go > to > > http://list.cfdeveloper.co.uk/mailman/listinfo > > > > > > -- > > > CFDeveloper Sponsors:- > > > > > >> - cfdeveloper Hosting provided by www.cfmxhosting.co.uk -< > > >> - Lists hosted by www.Gradwell.com -< > > >> - CFdeveloper is run by Russ Michaels, feel free to volunteer your > help > > -< > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > For details on ALL mailing lists and for joining or leaving lists, go to > > http://list.cfdeveloper.co.uk/mailman/listinfo > > > > -- > > CFDeveloper Sponsors:- > > >- cfdeveloper Hosting provided by www.cfmxhosting.co.uk -< > > >- Lists hosted by www.Gradwell.com -< > > >- CFdeveloper is run by Russ Michaels, feel free to volunteer your help > > -< > > > _______________________________________________ > > For details on ALL mailing lists and for joining or leaving lists, go to > http://list.cfdeveloper.co.uk/mailman/listinfo > > -- > CFDeveloper Sponsors:- > >- cfdeveloper Hosting provided by www.cfmxhosting.co.uk -< > >- Lists hosted by www.Gradwell.com -< > >- CFdeveloper is run by Russ Michaels, feel free to volunteer your help > -< > _______________________________________________
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