>- see footer for list info -< Hi Jatin. No, there's nothing complex about it. I'm using one of their volume licensing schemes and it's 1 license per server, no strings attached (at least not for running web sites, clustering, and databases etc). Using IIS and .NET does not cost any extra. Perhaps someone was trying to scare you away from Microsoft? ;-) Oh, and their support services are brilliant. Even their free support service is very responsive. Mind you, they can afford to employ an army of support people.
Gary On 7/31/07, Jatin Nanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >- see footer for list info -< > Hi Gary, > > Reason why - isn't there come sort of complex licensing with MSFT where > by > the total cost of ownership is actually quite a lot? > > On 31/07/07, Gary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > >- see footer for list info -< > > Hi Jatin. I don't understand what you're asking... how much are Win/IIS > > licenses? > > > > Railo - I don't know much about it. Would be nice to hear views from > > people > > who have used it in production. > > > > Gary. > > > > > > On 7/31/07, Jatin Nanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > >- see footer for list info -< > > > @ Gary > > > > > > what are the current MSFT licenses for IIS etc? Genuine question as I > do > > > not > > > know. > > > > > > On 31/07/07, Jatin Nanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Railo anyone? > > > > > > > > On 31/07/07, Gary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >- see footer for list info -< > > > > > You can't cluster/failover with Std which is a key feature of Ent, > > and > > > > > so > > > > > too are the 'unrestricted' threads for email and PDF creation. > > Neither > > > > > are > > > > > disabled or thread-limited if you use .NET. Okay, for PDF you'd > need > > a > > > > > 3rd > > > > > party library but there are good free ones or cheap commercial > ones > > > and > > > > > they're fairly easy to use, nothing a .NET programmer could take > in > > > > > their > > > > > stride. <cfexchange> yes, that's a very cool tag and I would have > > > loved > > > > > it 5 > > > > > years ago when I was programming intranet apps that linked in to > > > > > Exchange > > > > > and my client would have accepted the Ent price tag because of the > > > > > unquestionable benefits it would bring. But my Internet sites > don't > > > need > > > > > to > > > > > connect to Exchange. > > > > > > > > > > Where are you getting the £300 increase from? CF7 when launched > was > > > > > around > > > > > the £3500 mark. I can't find any official pages to confirm this > > > though. > > > > > > > > > > Now that I've got more involved with the business side of things I > > > have > > > > > to > > > > > look at CF as "just a programming language". My heart is telling > me > > > that > > > > > it > > > > > doesn't like this thought but look at it from the client's point > of > > > view > > > > > - > > > > > they're charged £1000 for the server, a few £K for the services we > > > > > provide, > > > > > then £4.5K for CF. It gets harder to justify. If the license was > > lower > > > I > > > > > may > > > > > pick up more clients, then Adobe would get more sales. Look what > > they > > > > > did to > > > > > Flex in order to boost its popularity. I'm not saying to do the > same > > > > > thing, > > > > > but it needs to be a more viable option for new > > businesses/developers > > > > > which > > > > > means it needs to be more affordable given the competition. e.g. > Do > > > you > > > > > hire > > > > > CF guys and pay £9K to run it on a cluster of 2, or .NET guys and > > pay > > > £0 > > > > > to > > > > > run it on as many servers as you like? > > > > > > > > > > Gary > > > > > > > > > > On 7/31/07, Andy Allan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >- see footer for list info -< > > > > > > One thing to bare in mind is that whilst the US see a $2,500 > price > > > > > > increase for Enterprise, here in the UK we are only seeing a > £300 > > > > > > increase. > > > > > > > > > > > > Additionally, bare in mind one of the reasons the UK is > > complaining > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > much right now is because the Pound is absolutely stomping on > the > > > > > > Dollar. If the exchange rate was more favourable to the Dollar > we > > > > > > wouldn't be seeing anywhere near as many complaints. > > > > > > > > > > > > Going back to 2002, the exchange rater was around $1.34 to the > > Pound > > > > > > (compared to $2.02 right now). That equates to a big difference > in > > > > > > pricing outside of the US. > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I defending Adobe over this? Yes and no. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, because the exchange rate is one of the major forces behind > > why > > > > > > there is such a price differential, however I agree that they > > should > > > > > be > > > > > > doing something to help ease this ... > > > > > > > > > > > > ... maybe the fact that here in the UK we have only seen a £300 > > > > > increase > > > > > > on Enterprise compared to $2,500 in the US is Adobe being nice? > > > > > > > > > > > > Additionally, can you really complain about paying £4k-ish for > > > > > > ENTERPRISE level software. Go get a quote for Websphere or > > Weblogic > > > , > > > > > > then factor in how much time it would take you to code something > > > like > > > > > > <cfexchange> and tell me that ColdFusion Enterprise isn't a > > bargain. > > > > > > Seriously. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, if you don't need the clustering, fail over and high > > > performance > > > > > > features of Enterprise then use Standard. Just about every > feature > > > of > > > > > > Enterprise is now in Standard, including gateways, yet it's > price > > > > > hasn't > > > > > > changed. OK, you may not get Server Monitoring, but go spend a > > > couple > > > > > of > > > > > > hundred quid on Fusion Reactor and you're sorted. > > > > > > > > > > > > Come on folks we need to remember that ColdFusion isn't *just* a > > > > > > programming language; there's way much more to it than that. > > > > > Seriously, > > > > > > go write some code to connect to Microsoft Exchange to integrate > > > with > > > > > > your inbox, calendar, contacts and task list then come back and > > talk > > > > > to > > > > > > me about costs. > > > > > > > > > > > > On a different note, in regards subscriptions ... if you get no > > joy > > > > > with > > > > > > Customer Service here in the UK (who are still goddam abysmal) > > give > > > me > > > > > a > > > > > > shout offline and I'll get you sorted by someone at Adobe who > does > > > > > know > > > > > > what they are doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > > > > Gary wrote: > > > > > > >> - see footer for list info -< > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The good news is that CF8 has launched (I like the Tim Buntel > > > demos) > > > > > but > > > > > > the > > > > > > > price has been hiked - the opposite to what many people were > > > hoping. > > > > > > > Enterprise is $7499 (£3750) from the US Adobe store and a > > whopping > > > > > > £4539+VAT > > > > > > > from the UK store. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CF7 was $5999 so that's a $1500 hike. The new features are > great > > > but > > > > > the > > > > > > > price is even more of a deterrent for developers and clients > to > > > take > > > > > to > > > > > > CF, > > > > > > > and also for existing users who want to add more servers. In > > > recent > > > > > > months > > > > > > > BlueDragon have made their license much cheaper in some > > > > > configurations > > > > > > and I > > > > > > > heard they can offer SPLA for hosting services (pay as you > go). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To put it in perspective you can buy *FOUR* brand new dual > core, > > > > > 2Gb, > > > > > > RAID1 > > > > > > > servers with Windows Server 2003 licenses running .NET for the > > > price > > > > > of > > > > > > 1 > > > > > > > CF8 license. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyhue, apologies for using this mailing list as a blog but I > do > > > > > have a > > > > > > > question. I took out a subscription with CF7 but I don't know > > how > > > to > > > > > use > > > > > > it > > > > > > > to upgrade to CF8. Would my license key simply be accepted by > > CF8 > > > or > > > > > do > > > > > > I > > > > > > > need to contact Adobe Sales for a new license key? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Gary F. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For details on ALL mailing lists and for joining or leaving > > lists, > > > > > go to > > > > > > http://list.cfdeveloper.co.uk/mailman/listinfo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > CFDeveloper Sponsors:- > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> - cfdeveloper Hosting provided by www.cfmxhosting.co.uk -< > > > > > > >> - Lists hosted by www.Gradwell.com -< > > > > > > >> - CFdeveloper is run by Russ Michaels, feel free to volunteer > > > your > > > > > help > > > > > > -< > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > For details on ALL mailing lists and for joining or leaving > lists, > > > go > > > > > to > > > > > > http://list.cfdeveloper.co.uk/mailman/listinfo > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > CFDeveloper Sponsors:- > > > > > > >- cfdeveloper Hosting provided by www.cfmxhosting.co.uk -< > > > > > > >- Lists hosted by www.Gradwell.com -< > > > > > > >- CFdeveloper is run by Russ Michaels, feel free to volunteer > > your > > > > > help > > > > > > -< > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > For details on ALL mailing lists and for joining or leaving lists, > > go > > > to > > > > > http://list.cfdeveloper.co.uk/mailman/listinfo > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > CFDeveloper Sponsors:- > > > > > >- cfdeveloper Hosting provided by www.cfmxhosting.co.uk -< > > > > > >- Lists hosted by www.Gradwell.com -< > > > > > >- CFdeveloper is run by Russ Michaels, feel free to volunteer > your > > > help > > > > > -< > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > For details on ALL mailing lists and for joining or leaving lists, go > to > > > http://list.cfdeveloper.co.uk/mailman/listinfo > > > > > > -- > > > CFDeveloper Sponsors:- > > > >- cfdeveloper Hosting provided by www.cfmxhosting.co.uk -< > > > >- Lists hosted by www.Gradwell.com -< > > > >- CFdeveloper is run by Russ Michaels, feel free to volunteer your > help > > > -< > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > For details on ALL mailing lists and for joining or leaving lists, go to > > http://list.cfdeveloper.co.uk/mailman/listinfo > > > > -- > > CFDeveloper Sponsors:- > > >- cfdeveloper Hosting provided by www.cfmxhosting.co.uk -< > > >- Lists hosted by www.Gradwell.com -< > > >- CFdeveloper is run by Russ Michaels, feel free to volunteer your help > > -< > > > _______________________________________________ > > For details on ALL mailing lists and for joining or leaving lists, go to > http://list.cfdeveloper.co.uk/mailman/listinfo > > -- > CFDeveloper Sponsors:- > >- cfdeveloper Hosting provided by www.cfmxhosting.co.uk -< > >- Lists hosted by www.Gradwell.com -< > >- CFdeveloper is run by Russ Michaels, feel free to volunteer your help > -< > _______________________________________________ For details on ALL mailing lists and for joining or leaving lists, go to http://list.cfdeveloper.co.uk/mailman/listinfo -- CFDeveloper Sponsors:- >- cfdeveloper Hosting provided by www.cfmxhosting.co.uk -< >- Lists hosted by www.Gradwell.com -< >- CFdeveloper is run by Russ Michaels, feel free to volunteer your help -<
