>- see footer for list info -< Hi Gary, Reason why - isn't there come sort of complex licensing with MSFT where by the total cost of ownership is actually quite a lot?
On 31/07/07, Gary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >- see footer for list info -< > Hi Jatin. I don't understand what you're asking... how much are Win/IIS > licenses? > > Railo - I don't know much about it. Would be nice to hear views from > people > who have used it in production. > > Gary. > > > On 7/31/07, Jatin Nanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > >- see footer for list info -< > > @ Gary > > > > what are the current MSFT licenses for IIS etc? Genuine question as I do > > not > > know. > > > > On 31/07/07, Jatin Nanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Railo anyone? > > > > > > On 31/07/07, Gary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > >- see footer for list info -< > > > > You can't cluster/failover with Std which is a key feature of Ent, > and > > > > so > > > > too are the 'unrestricted' threads for email and PDF creation. > Neither > > > > are > > > > disabled or thread-limited if you use .NET. Okay, for PDF you'd need > a > > > > 3rd > > > > party library but there are good free ones or cheap commercial ones > > and > > > > they're fairly easy to use, nothing a .NET programmer could take in > > > > their > > > > stride. <cfexchange> yes, that's a very cool tag and I would have > > loved > > > > it 5 > > > > years ago when I was programming intranet apps that linked in to > > > > Exchange > > > > and my client would have accepted the Ent price tag because of the > > > > unquestionable benefits it would bring. But my Internet sites don't > > need > > > > to > > > > connect to Exchange. > > > > > > > > Where are you getting the £300 increase from? CF7 when launched was > > > > around > > > > the £3500 mark. I can't find any official pages to confirm this > > though. > > > > > > > > Now that I've got more involved with the business side of things I > > have > > > > to > > > > look at CF as "just a programming language". My heart is telling me > > that > > > > it > > > > doesn't like this thought but look at it from the client's point of > > view > > > > - > > > > they're charged £1000 for the server, a few £K for the services we > > > > provide, > > > > then £4.5K for CF. It gets harder to justify. If the license was > lower > > I > > > > may > > > > pick up more clients, then Adobe would get more sales. Look what > they > > > > did to > > > > Flex in order to boost its popularity. I'm not saying to do the same > > > > thing, > > > > but it needs to be a more viable option for new > businesses/developers > > > > which > > > > means it needs to be more affordable given the competition. e.g. Do > > you > > > > hire > > > > CF guys and pay £9K to run it on a cluster of 2, or .NET guys and > pay > > £0 > > > > to > > > > run it on as many servers as you like? > > > > > > > > Gary > > > > > > > > On 7/31/07, Andy Allan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >- see footer for list info -< > > > > > One thing to bare in mind is that whilst the US see a $2,500 price > > > > > increase for Enterprise, here in the UK we are only seeing a £300 > > > > > increase. > > > > > > > > > > Additionally, bare in mind one of the reasons the UK is > complaining > > so > > > > > > > > > much right now is because the Pound is absolutely stomping on the > > > > > Dollar. If the exchange rate was more favourable to the Dollar we > > > > > wouldn't be seeing anywhere near as many complaints. > > > > > > > > > > Going back to 2002, the exchange rater was around $1.34 to the > Pound > > > > > (compared to $2.02 right now). That equates to a big difference in > > > > > pricing outside of the US. > > > > > > > > > > Am I defending Adobe over this? Yes and no. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, because the exchange rate is one of the major forces behind > why > > > > > there is such a price differential, however I agree that they > should > > > > be > > > > > doing something to help ease this ... > > > > > > > > > > ... maybe the fact that here in the UK we have only seen a £300 > > > > increase > > > > > on Enterprise compared to $2,500 in the US is Adobe being nice? > > > > > > > > > > Additionally, can you really complain about paying £4k-ish for > > > > > ENTERPRISE level software. Go get a quote for Websphere or > Weblogic > > , > > > > > then factor in how much time it would take you to code something > > like > > > > > <cfexchange> and tell me that ColdFusion Enterprise isn't a > bargain. > > > > > Seriously. > > > > > > > > > > Also, if you don't need the clustering, fail over and high > > performance > > > > > features of Enterprise then use Standard. Just about every feature > > of > > > > > Enterprise is now in Standard, including gateways, yet it's price > > > > hasn't > > > > > changed. OK, you may not get Server Monitoring, but go spend a > > couple > > > > of > > > > > hundred quid on Fusion Reactor and you're sorted. > > > > > > > > > > Come on folks we need to remember that ColdFusion isn't *just* a > > > > > programming language; there's way much more to it than that. > > > > Seriously, > > > > > go write some code to connect to Microsoft Exchange to integrate > > with > > > > > your inbox, calendar, contacts and task list then come back and > talk > > > > to > > > > > me about costs. > > > > > > > > > > On a different note, in regards subscriptions ... if you get no > joy > > > > with > > > > > Customer Service here in the UK (who are still goddam abysmal) > give > > me > > > > a > > > > > shout offline and I'll get you sorted by someone at Adobe who does > > > > know > > > > > what they are doing. > > > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > > Gary wrote: > > > > > >> - see footer for list info -< > > > > > >> > > > > > > The good news is that CF8 has launched (I like the Tim Buntel > > demos) > > > > but > > > > > the > > > > > > price has been hiked - the opposite to what many people were > > hoping. > > > > > > Enterprise is $7499 (£3750) from the US Adobe store and a > whopping > > > > > £4539+VAT > > > > > > from the UK store. > > > > > > > > > > > > CF7 was $5999 so that's a $1500 hike. The new features are great > > but > > > > the > > > > > > price is even more of a deterrent for developers and clients to > > take > > > > to > > > > > CF, > > > > > > and also for existing users who want to add more servers. In > > recent > > > > > months > > > > > > BlueDragon have made their license much cheaper in some > > > > configurations > > > > > and I > > > > > > heard they can offer SPLA for hosting services (pay as you go). > > > > > > > > > > > > To put it in perspective you can buy *FOUR* brand new dual core, > > > > 2Gb, > > > > > RAID1 > > > > > > servers with Windows Server 2003 licenses running .NET for the > > price > > > > of > > > > > 1 > > > > > > CF8 license. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyhue, apologies for using this mailing list as a blog but I do > > > > have a > > > > > > question. I took out a subscription with CF7 but I don't know > how > > to > > > > use > > > > > it > > > > > > to upgrade to CF8. Would my license key simply be accepted by > CF8 > > or > > > > do > > > > > I > > > > > > need to contact Adobe Sales for a new license key? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Gary F. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > For details on ALL mailing lists and for joining or leaving > lists, > > > > go to > > > > > http://list.cfdeveloper.co.uk/mailman/listinfo > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > CFDeveloper Sponsors:- > > > > > > > > > > > >> - cfdeveloper Hosting provided by www.cfmxhosting.co.uk -< > > > > > >> - Lists hosted by www.Gradwell.com -< > > > > > >> - CFdeveloper is run by Russ Michaels, feel free to volunteer > > your > > > > help > > > > > -< > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > For details on ALL mailing lists and for joining or leaving lists, > > go > > > > to > > > > > http://list.cfdeveloper.co.uk/mailman/listinfo > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > CFDeveloper Sponsors:- > > > > > >- cfdeveloper Hosting provided by www.cfmxhosting.co.uk -< > > > > > >- Lists hosted by www.Gradwell.com -< > > > > > >- CFdeveloper is run by Russ Michaels, feel free to volunteer > your > > > > help > > > > > -< > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > For details on ALL mailing lists and for joining or leaving lists, > go > > to > > > > http://list.cfdeveloper.co.uk/mailman/listinfo > > > > > > > > -- > > > > CFDeveloper Sponsors:- > > > > >- cfdeveloper Hosting provided by www.cfmxhosting.co.uk -< > > > > >- Lists hosted by www.Gradwell.com -< > > > > >- CFdeveloper is run by Russ Michaels, feel free to volunteer your > > help > > > > -< > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > For details on ALL mailing lists and for joining or leaving lists, go to > > http://list.cfdeveloper.co.uk/mailman/listinfo > > > > -- > > CFDeveloper Sponsors:- > > >- cfdeveloper Hosting provided by www.cfmxhosting.co.uk -< > > >- Lists hosted by www.Gradwell.com -< > > >- CFdeveloper is run by Russ Michaels, feel free to volunteer your help > > -< > > > _______________________________________________ > > For details on ALL mailing lists and for joining or leaving lists, go to > http://list.cfdeveloper.co.uk/mailman/listinfo > > -- > CFDeveloper Sponsors:- > >- cfdeveloper Hosting provided by www.cfmxhosting.co.uk -< > >- Lists hosted by www.Gradwell.com -< > >- CFdeveloper is run by Russ Michaels, feel free to volunteer your help > -< > _______________________________________________ For details on ALL mailing lists and for joining or leaving lists, go to http://list.cfdeveloper.co.uk/mailman/listinfo -- CFDeveloper Sponsors:- >- cfdeveloper Hosting provided by www.cfmxhosting.co.uk -< >- Lists hosted by www.Gradwell.com -< >- CFdeveloper is run by Russ Michaels, feel free to volunteer your help -<
