True, when I started it was the same, this is mostly normal with smaller companies.
Now we are much larger, the new-starters have a pay structure & set hours (well almost) Steven Harper Senior Applications Developer Freeserve.com -----Original Message----- From: Damian Watson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 January 2004 14:03 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] CF Salaries I don't think so -- most the people I know in web industry don't have a techie degree, it seems experience does count for something... but I may be way out as most the people I know have fine art degrees bizarrely enough. Another common situation over here is that you have to work for peanuts to begin with. I worked half a year for free (2 days a week) despite having good graphic qualifications. This is true across the media industry and is a very bad practice. New people in the market have to work burnout hours for very little. We're the worst in Europe for this according to polls. Is this true in Ireland? -----Original Message----- From: Justin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 January 2004 14:02 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] CF Salaries es In Ireland, there have been serious drops in people entering tech. university courses. So bad that the colleges are actively promoting computer courses. A couple of years ago it impossible to get a place. Techie companies are worried that there won't be enough skills in the future. Is it the same situation in the UK? Justin -----Original Message----- From: Duncan Fenton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 January 2004 13:40 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] CF Salaries What about the flood of asp-ers who claim to know asp? <plug shameless=true> I actually do </plug> Duncan Fenton Solution Consultant -----Original Message----- From: EWS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 January 2004 12:55 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ cf-dev ] CF Salaries <snip> perhaps it is the flood of ASPers and PHPers that claim to know CF that is bringing down the perceptions on recruiters (especially those who dont really understand what CF is and how it can be utilised). ASP and PHP programmers are after 10 a penny these days. They are being taught ASP at University and even in some High Schools and PHP modules are given away by the thousands so PHPers dont have to understand basic programming concepts (plug and play programming). What does everyone else think? Ellis C Wood BSC Ellwood Web Solutions -- ** Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For human help, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ** Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For human help, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ** Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For human help, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ** Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For human help, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
