On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Kristian Rosenvold < [email protected]> wrote:
> But I still assume we need to get some kind of idea of how good is > good enough. At some point there's going to be a significant > contributor we won't be able to get hold of. We might be able to work > around this by removing code or similar, but I don't think there is > any point in starting a massive search for people if 100% is the only > permitted result. > > Is there any way we could get some idea of what kind of requirement > we'd be facing ? Can we acceptably simply delete contributions from > people we can't get hold of (that may work in some cases) ? We > usually operate on a "200 line" quota for requiring a CLA; can we > disregard people with smaller contributions ? (And if so, would that > be *total* 200 lines or "per submission" ...?) > Yes, you can open a JIRA at LEGAL, and/or communicate with the board. I recommend completing the survey first. No one there likes to answer hypothetical questions; having an actual set of facts will grossly improve the conversation. > > Kristian > > > 2014-09-07 1:01 GMT+02:00 Jason van Zyl <[email protected]>: > > Cool, with your tool can you aggregate that into a single list of > userIds/Names and then remove us. > > > > I recognize most of the non-us and with that list we can contact them > all at once if we want. > > > > On Sep 6, 2014, at 5:05 PM, Hervé BOUTEMY <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> here are more accurate statistics: > >> http://people.apache.org/~hboutemy/codehaus > >> > >> Le samedi 6 septembre 2014 09:39:20 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit : > >>> I satrted to write down the count of contributors done by github, with > link, > >>> on > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MAVEN/Plexus+dependencies > >>> > >>> I'm not sure figures are relevant: > >>> - missing contributions? it seems so, I looked at plexus-velocity and > older > >>> commits are not counted... > >>> - every contribution has to be taken into account? > >>> > >>> we'll probably need to do more manual work: will need to dispatch > components > >>> to avoid one to do the work for everything > >>> > >>> then we'll need to figure out the process details: I read > >>> http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html, I suppose I'll > have as > >>> Maven Chair some work to do (any help from other members appreciated), > but I > >>> still don't understand precisely > >>> i will need some explanations from people with experience, probably on > IRC > >>> wil be more efficient > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> Hervé > >>> > >>> Le jeudi 4 septembre 2014 23:18:14 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit : > >>>> ok, so how do we do the next step? > >>>> > >>>> Regards, > >>>> > >>>> Hervé > >>>> > >>>> Le jeudi 4 septembre 2014 06:49:02 Kristian Rosenvold a écrit : > >>>>> I had a look through a few projects, and it would seem to me like > >>>>> "know" 90% of the committers because they are all associated with > >>>>> maven, most of them are also active. There's a further 5 or so > >>>>> committers that are well known community folks that we could probably > >>>>> get hold of easily. It would appear to me this group is 95% or so of > >>>>> the commits. There's a handful of names I am unsure if we'll be able > >>>>> to locate, the contributions I've seen from these names are small. > >>>>> > >>>>> I think it all amounts to something like this: > >>>>> For quite a few of the plexus repos we have close to 100% of the > >>>>> committers as currently active maven community members. > >>>>> For yet another bunch of projects we have one or two significant > >>>>> non-maven contributors that we may be able to get hold of. > >>>>> For plexus-utils the list is a bit longer, but there's a lot of > >>>>> smaller contributions that'd normally go below the CLA radar. > >>>>> > >>>>> I suppose we'd need to get some kind of exact metric to measure by if > >>>>> we were to make an even more structured attempt at evaluating > >>>>> compliance..? > >>>>> > >>>>> Kristian > >>>>> > >>>>> 2014-09-03 21:50 GMT+02:00 Jason van Zyl <[email protected]>: > >>>>>> For everything significant where significant is defined as more than > >>>>>> 200 > >>>>>> lines. I don't think we have any of those, and if we actually > expunged > >>>>>> from the source classes we don't actually use we're definitely > safe.> > >>>>>> On Sep 3, 2014, at 3:27 PM, Benson Margulies <[email protected] > > > >>>> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> If _everyone_ is present and accounted for, I agree. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Jason van Zyl <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >>>>>>>> Yes, I think everyone is making this 10x more complicated than it > >>>>>>>> is. > >>>>>>>> Our existing CLAs apply. If you wrote the code, you can contribute > >>>>>>>> it. > >>>>>>>> For modello, plexus-utils, and plexus-classworlds we're covered as > >>>>>>>> far > >>>>>>>> as I can tell.>>> > >>>>>>>> On Sep 3, 2014, at 2:44 PM, Kristian Rosenvold > >>>> > >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> To my best knowledge, *all* of the substantial contributors to > all > >>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> plexus repositories I have seen are available to us, most of them > >>>>>>>>> are > >>>>>>>>> PMC's or emeritus, and still "around" in some fashion or another. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Could we make all of them submit some kind of written submission > to > >>>>>>>>> the ASF ? I would actually think that would cover a decent 95% of > >>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> significant contributions, and in quite a few (maybe even all...) > >>>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>> the repos it would cover 100% ? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> (I am assuming they'll be willing to make such a submission...) > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Kristian > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> 2014-09-03 19:07 GMT+02:00 Benson Margulies > >> <[email protected]>: > >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 3:02 AM, Karl Heinz Marbaise > >>>> > >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> Hi, > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On 9/2/14 11:18 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> Gang, doesn't the board of the ASF have very strong, negative, > >>>>>>>>>>>> feelings about ASF PMC's controlling and maintaining code > >>>>>>>>>>>> outside > >>>>>>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>>>>> the ASF? > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Is there any evident about that ? any official statement about > >>>>>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>>>>> from ASF Board ? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I'm working on getting a pointer to a written policy. Meanwhile, > >>>>>>>>>> > http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/apache-software-foundation-> > > > >>>>> la > >>>>>>>>>> un > >>>>>>>>>> ches-apache-extras/#!bO9wnv describes a scheme to allow people > who > >>>>>>>>>> are > >>>>>>>>>> _not_ an Apache PMC to > >>>>>>>>>> manage Apache-related projects. There is, I predict, a fine line > >>>>>>>>>> between 'some people who happen to be Maven PMC members' and > 'the > >>>>>>>>>> Maven PMC', and I'm trying to save us from getting swatted from > >>>>>>>>>> crossing it. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I confess that I found this whole topic extremely confusing, > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> what with the googlecode 'Apache Extras' business. We might > want > >>>>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>>> ask for some clarification before we go here. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Karl Heinz Marbaise > >>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/2/14 2:56 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I asked Github to give us github.com/maven for our 3rd > party > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> code > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone is using it. Maybe Hervé can setup > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> github.com/apachemaven > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and we > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> move those Git repositories there. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately github.com/apachemaven is also occupied > >>>>>>>>>>>>> already... > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Karl-Heinz Marbaise > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 2, 2014, at 3:09 AM, Kristian Rosenvold > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have started talking about moving them somewhere, and > the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have come tom restart that discussion. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can either ask Brian for access or have one of the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existing > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committers apply your pull request. Just a regular pull > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> request > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> github should do. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kristian > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014-09-01 22:37 GMT+02:00 Karl Heinz Marbaise > >>>> > >>>> <[email protected]>: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i just want to know how we handle things which are located > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> components > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like plexus-archiver etc. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Currently i'm diving into some problems and want to > checkin > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improvments > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the plexus-archiver... > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can i gain commit access to those components ? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karl-Heinz Marbaise > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > >>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>> - > >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > >>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > >>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Jason > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>>> Jason van Zyl > >>>>>>>> Founder, Apache Maven > >>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl > >>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io > >>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> A man enjoys his work when he understands the whole and when he > >>>>>>>> is responsible for the quality of the whole > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -- Christopher Alexander, A Pattern Language > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Jason > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>> Jason van Zyl > >>>>>> Founder, Apache Maven > >>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl > >>>>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io > >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>> > >>>>>> happiness is like a butterfly: the more you chase it, the more it > will > >>>>>> elude you, but if you turn your attention to other things, it will > >>>>>> come > >>>>>> and sit softly on your shoulder ... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- Thoreau > >>>>> > >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > >>>> > >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > >>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > >> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > >> > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jason > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Jason van Zyl > > Founder, Apache Maven > > http://twitter.com/jvanzyl > > http://twitter.com/takari_io > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > > > There's no sense in being precise when you don't even know what you're > talking about. > > > > -- John von Neumann > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > >
