I agree that it is about projects migrating dependencies - which can take awhile, to put it mildly.
However, migrating package names at the same time as migrating groupIDs can go a long way towards avoiding ClassCastExceptions. That would - in turn - imply that a new major version number is required, so ... oldGAV_oldPackageName vs. newGAV_newPackageName should not cause too much of a problem? 2014-09-11 8:29 GMT+02:00 Anders Hammar <[email protected]>: > When/if we move these components I assume they will get a new groupId? Will > that not cause issues with duplicated plexus libraries (due to two > different sets of GA) until "everything" has moved over to the new > dependencies? > > /Anders > > On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 8:10 AM, Hervé BOUTEMY <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > to me, it's clear we need some formal attribution to ASF from each major > > contributor, since the code was committed to Codehaus, not ASF, and > > Codehaus > > is not an antity that can transfer the result to ASF > > > > for the formal part, without being a lawyer, I suppose each constributor > > has > > to confirm he is the author of the code and that he gives the code to > ASF: > > I'll > > start a new thread on the ML, asking for every contributor to reply. > > > > I need your help, my frenglish comes short for the invitation, please > send > > me > > proposals in private so I can add every good idea without polluting the > ML > > :) > > > > for the notion of "major" contributor, we have 13 components each with > its > > own > > contributor list: we'll see which components are fully covered, then can > be > > moved easily immediately, and which ones will need more legal advice > > > > Let's keep up the good work together: not sure we'll get 100% success, > but > > we > > can't completely fail and the situation will be improved even if not > > perfect. > > > > Regards, > > > > Hervé > > > > Le lundi 8 septembre 2014 20:38:27 Benson Margulies a écrit : > > > On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 7:32 PM, Hervé BOUTEMY <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > here is the new version with csv files and committers deduplicate > > > > http://people.apache.org/~hboutemy/codehaus/summary.html > > > > > > > > now we need to ask for everybody's attribution of his contributions, > > and > > > > we'll see how much we cover from each component > > > > > > > > some components should be easy to cover fully, like plexus-cli > > > > some will be harder... > > > > > > > > to start, I'm ready to give ASF all my contributions: how should I > > > > proceed? > > > > some formal e-mail on this ML? > > > > > > Yes, mail to this list contributing your contributions to that repo to > > > the project. > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Hervé > > > > > > > > Le dimanche 7 septembre 2014 23:22:39 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit : > > > >> improved the automatic summary > > > >> http://people.apache.org/~hboutemy/codehaus/summary.html > > > >> > > > >> I suppose the next step will be to create a csv to be able to work > on > > > >> figures with a spreadsheet > > > >> > > > >> I have no time at the moment, will try tomorrow if nobody beats me > > > >> > > > >> Regards, > > > >> > > > >> Hervé > > > >> > > > >> Le dimanche 7 septembre 2014 15:01:58 Benson Margulies a écrit : > > > >> > On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Kristian Rosenvold < > > > >> > > > > >> > [email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > But I still assume we need to get some kind of idea of how good > is > > > >> > > good enough. At some point there's going to be a significant > > > >> > > contributor we won't be able to get hold of. We might be able to > > work > > > >> > > around this by removing code or similar, but I don't think there > > is > > > >> > > any point in starting a massive search for people if 100% is the > > only > > > >> > > permitted result. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Is there any way we could get some idea of what kind of > > requirement > > > >> > > we'd be facing ? Can we acceptably simply delete contributions > > from > > > >> > > people we can't get hold of (that may work in some cases) ? We > > > >> > > usually operate on a "200 line" quota for requiring a CLA; can > we > > > >> > > disregard people with smaller contributions ? (And if so, would > > that > > > >> > > be *total* 200 lines or "per submission" ...?) > > > >> > > > > >> > Yes, you can open a JIRA at LEGAL, and/or communicate with the > > board. I > > > >> > recommend completing the survey first. No one there likes to > answer > > > >> > hypothetical questions; having an actual set of facts will grossly > > > >> > improve > > > >> > the conversation. > > > >> > > > > >> > > Kristian > > > >> > > > > > >> > > 2014-09-07 1:01 GMT+02:00 Jason van Zyl <[email protected]>: > > > >> > > > Cool, with your tool can you aggregate that into a single list > > of > > > >> > > > > > >> > > userIds/Names and then remove us. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > I recognize most of the non-us and with that list we can > contact > > > >> > > > them > > > >> > > > > > >> > > all at once if we want. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > On Sep 6, 2014, at 5:05 PM, Hervé BOUTEMY < > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > >> here are more accurate statistics: > > > >> > > >> http://people.apache.org/~hboutemy/codehaus > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> Le samedi 6 septembre 2014 09:39:20 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit : > > > >> > > >>> I satrted to write down the count of contributors done by > > github, > > > >> > > >>> with > > > >> > > > > > >> > > link, > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >>> on > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MAVEN/Plexus+dependencies > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >>> I'm not sure figures are relevant: > > > >> > > >>> - missing contributions? it seems so, I looked at > > plexus-velocity > > > >> > > >>> and > > > >> > > > > > >> > > older > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >>> commits are not counted... > > > >> > > >>> - every contribution has to be taken into account? > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> we'll probably need to do more manual work: will need to > > dispatch > > > >> > > > > > >> > > components > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >>> to avoid one to do the work for everything > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> then we'll need to figure out the process details: I read > > > >> > > >>> http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html, I > > suppose > > > >> > > >>> I'll > > > >> > > > > > >> > > have as > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >>> Maven Chair some work to do (any help from other members > > > >> > > >>> appreciated), > > > >> > > > > > >> > > but I > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >>> still don't understand precisely > > > >> > > >>> i will need some explanations from people with experience, > > > >> > > >>> probably > > > >> > > >>> on > > > >> > > > > > >> > > IRC > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >>> wil be more efficient > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> Regards, > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> Hervé > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> Le jeudi 4 septembre 2014 23:18:14 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit : > > > >> > > >>>> ok, so how do we do the next step? > > > >> > > >>>> > > > >> > > >>>> Regards, > > > >> > > >>>> > > > >> > > >>>> Hervé > > > >> > > >>>> > > > >> > > >>>> Le jeudi 4 septembre 2014 06:49:02 Kristian Rosenvold a > > écrit : > > > >> > > >>>>> I had a look through a few projects, and it would seem to > me > > > >> > > >>>>> like > > > >> > > >>>>> "know" 90% of the committers because they are all > associated > > > >> > > >>>>> with > > > >> > > >>>>> maven, most of them are also active. There's a further 5 > or > > so > > > >> > > >>>>> committers that are well known community folks that we > could > > > >> > > >>>>> probably > > > >> > > >>>>> get hold of easily. It would appear to me this group is > 95% > > or > > > >> > > >>>>> so > > > >> > > >>>>> of > > > >> > > >>>>> the commits. There's a handful of names I am unsure if > > we'll be > > > >> > > >>>>> able > > > >> > > >>>>> to locate, the contributions I've seen from these names > are > > > >> > > >>>>> small. > > > >> > > >>>>> > > > >> > > >>>>> I think it all amounts to something like this: > > > >> > > >>>>> For quite a few of the plexus repos we have close to 100% > of > > > >> > > >>>>> the > > > >> > > >>>>> committers as currently active maven community members. > > > >> > > >>>>> For yet another bunch of projects we have one or two > > > >> > > >>>>> significant > > > >> > > >>>>> non-maven contributors that we may be able to get hold of. > > > >> > > >>>>> For plexus-utils the list is a bit longer, but there's a > > lot of > > > >> > > >>>>> smaller contributions that'd normally go below the CLA > > radar. > > > >> > > >>>>> > > > >> > > >>>>> I suppose we'd need to get some kind of exact metric to > > measure > > > >> > > >>>>> by > > > >> > > >>>>> if > > > >> > > >>>>> we were to make an even more structured attempt at > > evaluating > > > >> > > >>>>> compliance..? > > > >> > > >>>>> > > > >> > > >>>>> Kristian > > > >> > > >>>>> > > > >> > > >>>>> 2014-09-03 21:50 GMT+02:00 Jason van Zyl <[email protected] > >: > > > >> > > >>>>>> For everything significant where significant is defined > as > > > >> > > >>>>>> more > > > >> > > >>>>>> than > > > >> > > >>>>>> 200 > > > >> > > >>>>>> lines. I don't think we have any of those, and if we > > actually > > > >> > > > > > >> > > expunged > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >>>>>> from the source classes we don't actually use we're > > definitely > > > >> > > > > > >> > > safe.> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >>>>>> On Sep 3, 2014, at 3:27 PM, Benson Margulies > > > >> > > >>>>>> <[email protected] > > > >> > > >>>> > > > >> > > >>>> wrote: > > > >> > > >>>>>>> If _everyone_ is present and accounted for, I agree. > > > >> > > >>>>>>> > > > >> > > >>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Jason van Zyl > > > >> > > >>>>>>> <[email protected]> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > >>>>>>>> Yes, I think everyone is making this 10x more > complicated > > > >> > > >>>>>>>> than > > > >> > > >>>>>>>> it > > > >> > > >>>>>>>> is. > > > >> > > >>>>>>>> Our existing CLAs apply. If you wrote the code, you can > > > >> > > >>>>>>>> contribute > > > >> > > >>>>>>>> it. > > > >> > > >>>>>>>> For modello, plexus-utils, and plexus-classworlds we're > > > >> > > >>>>>>>> covered > > > >> > > >>>>>>>> as > > > >> > > >>>>>>>> far > > > >> > > >>>>>>>> as I can tell.>>> > > > >> > > >>>>>>>> On Sep 3, 2014, at 2:44 PM, Kristian Rosenvold > > > >> > > >>>> > > > >> > > >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>> To my best knowledge, *all* of the substantial > > contributors > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>> to > > > >> > > > > > >> > > all > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>> the > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>> plexus repositories I have seen are available to us, > > most > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>> of > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>> them > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>> are > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>> PMC's or emeritus, and still "around" in some fashion > or > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>> another. > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>> Could we make all of them submit some kind of written > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>> submission > > > >> > > > > > >> > > to > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>> the ASF ? I would actually think that would cover a > > decent > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>> 95% > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>> of > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>> the > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>> significant contributions, and in quite a few (maybe > > even > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>> all...) > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>> of > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>> the repos it would cover 100% ? > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>> (I am assuming they'll be willing to make such a > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>> submission...) > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>> Kristian > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>> 2014-09-03 19:07 GMT+02:00 Benson Margulies > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> <[email protected]>: > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 3:02 AM, Karl Heinz Marbaise > > > >> > > >>>> > > > >> > > >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Hi, > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> On 9/2/14 11:18 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Gang, doesn't the board of the ASF have very > strong, > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> negative, > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> feelings about ASF PMC's controlling and > maintaining > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> code > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> outside > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> of > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> the ASF? > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Is there any evident about that ? any official > > statement > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> about > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> that > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> from ASF Board ? > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> I'm working on getting a pointer to a written policy. > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile, > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/apache-software-foundation-> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >>>>> la > > > >> > > >>>>> > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> un > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> ches-apache-extras/#!bO9wnv describes a scheme to > allow > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> people > > > >> > > > > > >> > > who > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> are > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> _not_ an Apache PMC to > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> manage Apache-related projects. There is, I predict, > a > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> fine > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> line > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> between 'some people who happen to be Maven PMC > > members' > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> and > > > >> > > > > > >> > > 'the > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> Maven PMC', and I'm trying to save us from getting > > swatted > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> from > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> crossing it. > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I confess that I found this whole topic extremely > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> confusing, > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> what with the googlecode 'Apache Extras' business. > We > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> might > > > >> > > > > > >> > > want > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> to > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> ask for some clarification before we go here. > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Karl Heinz Marbaise > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/2/14 2:56 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote: > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I asked Github to give us github.com/maven for > > our 3rd > > > >> > > > > > >> > > party > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> code > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone is using it. Maybe Hervé can setup > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> github.com/apachemaven > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and we > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> move those Git repositories there. > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately github.com/apachemaven is also > > occupied > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> already... > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Karl-Heinz Marbaise > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 2, 2014, at 3:09 AM, Kristian Rosenvold > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have started talking about moving them > > somewhere, > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and > > > >> > > > > > >> > > the > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have come tom restart that discussion. > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can either ask Brian for access or have one > of > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existing > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committers apply your pull request. Just a > regular > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pull > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> request > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> github should do. > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kristian > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014-09-01 22:37 GMT+02:00 Karl Heinz Marbaise > > > >> > > >>>> > > > >> > > >>>> <[email protected]>: > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i just want to know how we handle things which > > are > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> located > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> components > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like plexus-archiver etc. > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Currently i'm diving into some problems and > want > > to > > > >> > > > > > >> > > checkin > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improvments > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the plexus-archiver... > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can i gain commit access to those > components > > ? > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karl-Heinz Marbaise > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> -- > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> -- > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > [email protected] > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> -- > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> - 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