Le jeudi 11 septembre 2014 08:40:42 Kristian Rosenvold a écrit : > Excellent proposal Hervé, but how do we deal with jira-based > submissions ? I am probably @author of half my committs and @committer > of the rest ? given we have the "Submitted by" stanza for svn, we should be able to count these with something like "git log --grep=Submitted -i" (I suppose git pull are automatically detected by gitstats)
So we need to: 1. get stats on such patches 2. enchance the formal attribution to make the distinction between work done by committer, work copied from outside, and patches applied from Jira Regards, Hervé > > > Kristian > > 2014-09-11 8:10 GMT+02:00 Hervé BOUTEMY <[email protected]>: > > to me, it's clear we need some formal attribution to ASF from each major > > contributor, since the code was committed to Codehaus, not ASF, and > > Codehaus is not an antity that can transfer the result to ASF > > > > for the formal part, without being a lawyer, I suppose each constributor > > has to confirm he is the author of the code and that he gives the code to > > ASF: I'll start a new thread on the ML, asking for every contributor to > > reply. > > > > I need your help, my frenglish comes short for the invitation, please send > > me proposals in private so I can add every good idea without polluting > > the ML :) > > > > for the notion of "major" contributor, we have 13 components each with its > > own contributor list: we'll see which components are fully covered, then > > can be moved easily immediately, and which ones will need more legal > > advice > > > > Let's keep up the good work together: not sure we'll get 100% success, but > > we can't completely fail and the situation will be improved even if not > > perfect. > > > > Regards, > > > > Hervé > > > > Le lundi 8 septembre 2014 20:38:27 Benson Margulies a écrit : > >> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 7:32 PM, Hervé BOUTEMY <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > here is the new version with csv files and committers deduplicate > >> > http://people.apache.org/~hboutemy/codehaus/summary.html > >> > > >> > now we need to ask for everybody's attribution of his contributions, > >> > and > >> > we'll see how much we cover from each component > >> > > >> > some components should be easy to cover fully, like plexus-cli > >> > some will be harder... > >> > > >> > to start, I'm ready to give ASF all my contributions: how should I > >> > proceed? > >> > some formal e-mail on this ML? > >> > >> Yes, mail to this list contributing your contributions to that repo to > >> the project. > >> > >> > Regards, > >> > > >> > Hervé > >> > > >> > Le dimanche 7 septembre 2014 23:22:39 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit : > >> >> improved the automatic summary > >> >> http://people.apache.org/~hboutemy/codehaus/summary.html > >> >> > >> >> I suppose the next step will be to create a csv to be able to work on > >> >> figures with a spreadsheet > >> >> > >> >> I have no time at the moment, will try tomorrow if nobody beats me > >> >> > >> >> Regards, > >> >> > >> >> Hervé > >> >> > >> >> Le dimanche 7 septembre 2014 15:01:58 Benson Margulies a écrit : > >> >> > On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Kristian Rosenvold < > >> >> > > >> >> > [email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > > But I still assume we need to get some kind of idea of how good is > >> >> > > good enough. At some point there's going to be a significant > >> >> > > contributor we won't be able to get hold of. We might be able to > >> >> > > work > >> >> > > around this by removing code or similar, but I don't think there > >> >> > > is > >> >> > > any point in starting a massive search for people if 100% is the > >> >> > > only > >> >> > > permitted result. > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Is there any way we could get some idea of what kind of > >> >> > > requirement > >> >> > > we'd be facing ? Can we acceptably simply delete contributions > >> >> > > from > >> >> > > people we can't get hold of (that may work in some cases) ? We > >> >> > > usually operate on a "200 line" quota for requiring a CLA; can we > >> >> > > disregard people with smaller contributions ? (And if so, would > >> >> > > that > >> >> > > be *total* 200 lines or "per submission" ...?) > >> >> > > >> >> > Yes, you can open a JIRA at LEGAL, and/or communicate with the > >> >> > board. I > >> >> > recommend completing the survey first. No one there likes to answer > >> >> > hypothetical questions; having an actual set of facts will grossly > >> >> > improve > >> >> > the conversation. > >> >> > > >> >> > > Kristian > >> >> > > > >> >> > > 2014-09-07 1:01 GMT+02:00 Jason van Zyl <[email protected]>: > >> >> > > > Cool, with your tool can you aggregate that into a single list > >> >> > > > of > >> >> > > > >> >> > > userIds/Names and then remove us. > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > I recognize most of the non-us and with that list we can contact > >> >> > > > them > >> >> > > > >> >> > > all at once if we want. > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > On Sep 6, 2014, at 5:05 PM, Hervé BOUTEMY > >> >> > > > <[email protected]> > >> > > >> > wrote: > >> >> > > >> here are more accurate statistics: > >> >> > > >> http://people.apache.org/~hboutemy/codehaus > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> Le samedi 6 septembre 2014 09:39:20 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit : > >> >> > > >>> I satrted to write down the count of contributors done by > >> >> > > >>> github, > >> >> > > >>> with > >> >> > > > >> >> > > link, > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> on > >> >> > > > >> >> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MAVEN/Plexus+dependenc > >> >> > > ies > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> I'm not sure figures are relevant: > >> >> > > >>> - missing contributions? it seems so, I looked at > >> >> > > >>> plexus-velocity > >> >> > > >>> and > >> >> > > > >> >> > > older > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> commits are not counted... > >> >> > > >>> - every contribution has to be taken into account? > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> > > >>> we'll probably need to do more manual work: will need to > >> >> > > >>> dispatch > >> >> > > > >> >> > > components > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> to avoid one to do the work for everything > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> > > >>> then we'll need to figure out the process details: I read > >> >> > > >>> http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html, I suppose > >> >> > > >>> I'll > >> >> > > > >> >> > > have as > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> Maven Chair some work to do (any help from other members > >> >> > > >>> appreciated), > >> >> > > > >> >> > > but I > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> still don't understand precisely > >> >> > > >>> i will need some explanations from people with experience, > >> >> > > >>> probably > >> >> > > >>> on > >> >> > > > >> >> > > IRC > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>> wil be more efficient > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> > > >>> Regards, > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> > > >>> Hervé > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> > > >>> Le jeudi 4 septembre 2014 23:18:14 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit : > >> >> > > >>>> ok, so how do we do the next step? > >> >> > > >>>> > >> >> > > >>>> Regards, > >> >> > > >>>> > >> >> > > >>>> Hervé > >> >> > > >>>> > >> >> > > >>>> Le jeudi 4 septembre 2014 06:49:02 Kristian Rosenvold a écrit : > >> >> > > >>>>> I had a look through a few projects, and it would seem to me > >> >> > > >>>>> like > >> >> > > >>>>> "know" 90% of the committers because they are all associated > >> >> > > >>>>> with > >> >> > > >>>>> maven, most of them are also active. There's a further 5 or > >> >> > > >>>>> so > >> >> > > >>>>> committers that are well known community folks that we could > >> >> > > >>>>> probably > >> >> > > >>>>> get hold of easily. It would appear to me this group is 95% > >> >> > > >>>>> or > >> >> > > >>>>> so > >> >> > > >>>>> of > >> >> > > >>>>> the commits. There's a handful of names I am unsure if we'll > >> >> > > >>>>> be > >> >> > > >>>>> able > >> >> > > >>>>> to locate, the contributions I've seen from these names are > >> >> > > >>>>> small. > >> >> > > >>>>> > >> >> > > >>>>> I think it all amounts to something like this: > >> >> > > >>>>> For quite a few of the plexus repos we have close to 100% of > >> >> > > >>>>> the > >> >> > > >>>>> committers as currently active maven community members. > >> >> > > >>>>> For yet another bunch of projects we have one or two > >> >> > > >>>>> significant > >> >> > > >>>>> non-maven contributors that we may be able to get hold of. > >> >> > > >>>>> For plexus-utils the list is a bit longer, but there's a lot > >> >> > > >>>>> of > >> >> > > >>>>> smaller contributions that'd normally go below the CLA > >> >> > > >>>>> radar. > >> >> > > >>>>> > >> >> > > >>>>> I suppose we'd need to get some kind of exact metric to > >> >> > > >>>>> measure > >> >> > > >>>>> by > >> >> > > >>>>> if > >> >> > > >>>>> we were to make an even more structured attempt at > >> >> > > >>>>> evaluating > >> >> > > >>>>> compliance..? > >> >> > > >>>>> > >> >> > > >>>>> Kristian > >> >> > > >>>>> > >> >> > > >>>>> 2014-09-03 21:50 GMT+02:00 Jason van Zyl <[email protected]>: > >> >> > > >>>>>> For everything significant where significant is defined as > >> >> > > >>>>>> more > >> >> > > >>>>>> than > >> >> > > >>>>>> 200 > >> >> > > >>>>>> lines. I don't think we have any of those, and if we > >> >> > > >>>>>> actually > >> >> > > > >> >> > > expunged > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>>>>> from the source classes we don't actually use we're > >> >> > > >>>>>> definitely > >> >> > > > >> >> > > safe.> > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>>>>> On Sep 3, 2014, at 3:27 PM, Benson Margulies > >> >> > > >>>>>> <[email protected] > >> >> > > >>>> > >> >> > > >>>> wrote: > >> >> > > >>>>>>> If _everyone_ is present and accounted for, I agree. > >> >> > > >>>>>>> > >> >> > > >>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Jason van Zyl > >> >> > > >>>>>>> <[email protected]> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> wrote: > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> Yes, I think everyone is making this 10x more complicated > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> than > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> it > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> is. > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> Our existing CLAs apply. If you wrote the code, you can > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> contribute > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> it. > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> For modello, plexus-utils, and plexus-classworlds we're > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> covered > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> as > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> far > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> as I can tell.>>> > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> On Sep 3, 2014, at 2:44 PM, Kristian Rosenvold > >> >> > > >>>> > >> >> > > >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> To my best knowledge, *all* of the substantial > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> contributors > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> to > >> >> > > > >> >> > > all > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> the > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> plexus repositories I have seen are available to us, > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> most > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> of > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> them > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> are > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> PMC's or emeritus, and still "around" in some fashion or > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> another. > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> Could we make all of them submit some kind of written > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> submission > >> >> > > > >> >> > > to > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> the ASF ? I would actually think that would cover a > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> decent > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> 95% > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> of > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> the > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> significant contributions, and in quite a few (maybe > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> even > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> all...) > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> of > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> the repos it would cover 100% ? > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> (I am assuming they'll be willing to make such a > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> submission...) > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> Kristian > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> 2014-09-03 19:07 GMT+02:00 Benson Margulies > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> <[email protected]>: > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 3:02 AM, Karl Heinz Marbaise > >> >> > > >>>> > >> >> > > >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Hi, > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> On 9/2/14 11:18 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Gang, doesn't the board of the ASF have very strong, > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> negative, > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> feelings about ASF PMC's controlling and maintaining > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> code > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> outside > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> of > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> the ASF? > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Is there any evident about that ? any official > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> statement > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> about > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> that > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> from ASF Board ? > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> I'm working on getting a pointer to a written policy. > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile, > >> >> > > > >> >> > > http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/apache-software-foundation-> > >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>>>> la > >> >> > > >>>>> > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> un > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> ches-apache-extras/#!bO9wnv describes a scheme to allow > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> people > >> >> > > > >> >> > > who > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> are > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> _not_ an Apache PMC to > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> manage Apache-related projects. There is, I predict, a > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> fine > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> line > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> between 'some people who happen to be Maven PMC > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> members' > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> and > >> >> > > > >> >> > > 'the > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> Maven PMC', and I'm trying to save us from getting > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> swatted > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> from > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> crossing it. > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I confess that I found this whole topic extremely > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> confusing, > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> what with the googlecode 'Apache Extras' business. We > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> might > >> >> > > > >> >> > > want > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> to > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> ask for some clarification before we go here. > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Karl Heinz Marbaise > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/2/14 2:56 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote: > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I asked Github to give us github.com/maven for our > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3rd > >> >> > > > >> >> > > party > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> code > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone is using it. Maybe Hervé can setup > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> github.com/apachemaven > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and we > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> move those Git repositories there. > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately github.com/apachemaven is also > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> occupied > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> already... > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Karl-Heinz Marbaise > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 2, 2014, at 3:09 AM, Kristian Rosenvold > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have started talking about moving them > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> somewhere, > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and > >> >> > > > >> >> > > the > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have come tom restart that discussion. > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can either ask Brian for access or have one of > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existing > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committers apply your pull request. Just a regular > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pull > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> request > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> github should do. > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kristian > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014-09-01 22:37 GMT+02:00 Karl Heinz Marbaise > >> >> > > >>>> > >> >> > > >>>> <[email protected]>: > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i just want to know how we handle things which > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> located > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> components > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like plexus-archiver etc. > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Currently i'm diving into some problems and want > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to > >> >> > > > >> >> > > checkin > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improvments > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the plexus-archiver... > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can i gain commit access to those components > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ? > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karl-Heinz Marbaise > >> >> > > > >> >> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> -- > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> -- > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] > >> >> > > > >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> -- > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> - 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