work done: http://people.apache.org/~hboutemy/codehaus/summary.html
after author stats for each component, there is the shortlog for patches applied now we need to prepare attribution thread, to let a maximum of contributors express their desire to give their contribution to ASF. Any proposal from experienced team member? Regards, Hervé Le samedi 13 septembre 2014 23:52:41 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit : > Le jeudi 11 septembre 2014 08:40:42 Kristian Rosenvold a écrit : > > Excellent proposal Hervé, but how do we deal with jira-based > > submissions ? I am probably @author of half my committs and @committer > > of the rest ? > > given we have the "Submitted by" stanza for svn, we should be able to count > these with something like "git log --grep=Submitted -i" > (I suppose git pull are automatically detected by gitstats) > > So we need to: > 1. get stats on such patches > 2. enchance the formal attribution to make the distinction between work done > by committer, work copied from outside, and patches applied from Jira > > Regards, > > Hervé > > > Kristian > > > > 2014-09-11 8:10 GMT+02:00 Hervé BOUTEMY <[email protected]>: > > > to me, it's clear we need some formal attribution to ASF from each major > > > contributor, since the code was committed to Codehaus, not ASF, and > > > Codehaus is not an antity that can transfer the result to ASF > > > > > > for the formal part, without being a lawyer, I suppose each constributor > > > has to confirm he is the author of the code and that he gives the code > > > to > > > ASF: I'll start a new thread on the ML, asking for every contributor to > > > reply. > > > > > > I need your help, my frenglish comes short for the invitation, please > > > send > > > me proposals in private so I can add every good idea without polluting > > > the ML :) > > > > > > for the notion of "major" contributor, we have 13 components each with > > > its > > > own contributor list: we'll see which components are fully covered, then > > > can be moved easily immediately, and which ones will need more legal > > > advice > > > > > > Let's keep up the good work together: not sure we'll get 100% success, > > > but > > > we can't completely fail and the situation will be improved even if not > > > perfect. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Hervé > > > > > > Le lundi 8 septembre 2014 20:38:27 Benson Margulies a écrit : > > >> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 7:32 PM, Hervé BOUTEMY <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > >> > here is the new version with csv files and committers deduplicate > > >> > http://people.apache.org/~hboutemy/codehaus/summary.html > > >> > > > >> > now we need to ask for everybody's attribution of his contributions, > > >> > and > > >> > we'll see how much we cover from each component > > >> > > > >> > some components should be easy to cover fully, like plexus-cli > > >> > some will be harder... > > >> > > > >> > to start, I'm ready to give ASF all my contributions: how should I > > >> > proceed? > > >> > some formal e-mail on this ML? > > >> > > >> Yes, mail to this list contributing your contributions to that repo to > > >> the project. > > >> > > >> > Regards, > > >> > > > >> > Hervé > > >> > > > >> > Le dimanche 7 septembre 2014 23:22:39 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit : > > >> >> improved the automatic summary > > >> >> http://people.apache.org/~hboutemy/codehaus/summary.html > > >> >> > > >> >> I suppose the next step will be to create a csv to be able to work > > >> >> on > > >> >> figures with a spreadsheet > > >> >> > > >> >> I have no time at the moment, will try tomorrow if nobody beats me > > >> >> > > >> >> Regards, > > >> >> > > >> >> Hervé > > >> >> > > >> >> Le dimanche 7 septembre 2014 15:01:58 Benson Margulies a écrit : > > >> >> > On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Kristian Rosenvold < > > >> >> > > > >> >> > [email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> > > But I still assume we need to get some kind of idea of how good > > >> >> > > is > > >> >> > > good enough. At some point there's going to be a significant > > >> >> > > contributor we won't be able to get hold of. We might be able to > > >> >> > > work > > >> >> > > around this by removing code or similar, but I don't think there > > >> >> > > is > > >> >> > > any point in starting a massive search for people if 100% is the > > >> >> > > only > > >> >> > > permitted result. > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > Is there any way we could get some idea of what kind of > > >> >> > > requirement > > >> >> > > we'd be facing ? Can we acceptably simply delete contributions > > >> >> > > from > > >> >> > > people we can't get hold of (that may work in some cases) ? We > > >> >> > > usually operate on a "200 line" quota for requiring a CLA; can > > >> >> > > we > > >> >> > > disregard people with smaller contributions ? (And if so, would > > >> >> > > that > > >> >> > > be *total* 200 lines or "per submission" ...?) > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Yes, you can open a JIRA at LEGAL, and/or communicate with the > > >> >> > board. I > > >> >> > recommend completing the survey first. No one there likes to > > >> >> > answer > > >> >> > hypothetical questions; having an actual set of facts will grossly > > >> >> > improve > > >> >> > the conversation. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Kristian > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > 2014-09-07 1:01 GMT+02:00 Jason van Zyl <[email protected]>: > > >> >> > > > Cool, with your tool can you aggregate that into a single list > > >> >> > > > of > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > userIds/Names and then remove us. > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > I recognize most of the non-us and with that list we can > > >> >> > > > contact > > >> >> > > > them > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > all at once if we want. > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > On Sep 6, 2014, at 5:05 PM, Hervé BOUTEMY > > >> >> > > > <[email protected]> > > >> > > > >> > wrote: > > >> >> > > >> here are more accurate statistics: > > >> >> > > >> http://people.apache.org/~hboutemy/codehaus > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > > >> Le samedi 6 septembre 2014 09:39:20 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit : > > >> >> > > >>> I satrted to write down the count of contributors done by > > >> >> > > >>> github, > > >> >> > > >>> with > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > link, > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>> on > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MAVEN/Plexus+depende > > >> >> > > nc > > >> >> > > ies > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>> I'm not sure figures are relevant: > > >> >> > > >>> - missing contributions? it seems so, I looked at > > >> >> > > >>> plexus-velocity > > >> >> > > >>> and > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > older > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>> commits are not counted... > > >> >> > > >>> - every contribution has to be taken into account? > > >> >> > > >>> > > >> >> > > >>> we'll probably need to do more manual work: will need to > > >> >> > > >>> dispatch > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > components > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>> to avoid one to do the work for everything > > >> >> > > >>> > > >> >> > > >>> then we'll need to figure out the process details: I read > > >> >> > > >>> http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html, I > > >> >> > > >>> suppose > > >> >> > > >>> I'll > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > have as > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>> Maven Chair some work to do (any help from other members > > >> >> > > >>> appreciated), > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > but I > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>> still don't understand precisely > > >> >> > > >>> i will need some explanations from people with experience, > > >> >> > > >>> probably > > >> >> > > >>> on > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > IRC > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>> wil be more efficient > > >> >> > > >>> > > >> >> > > >>> Regards, > > >> >> > > >>> > > >> >> > > >>> Hervé > > >> >> > > >>> > > >> >> > > >>> Le jeudi 4 septembre 2014 23:18:14 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit : > > >> >> > > >>>> ok, so how do we do the next step? > > >> >> > > >>>> > > >> >> > > >>>> Regards, > > >> >> > > >>>> > > >> >> > > >>>> Hervé > > >> >> > > >>>> > > >> >> > > >>>> Le jeudi 4 septembre 2014 06:49:02 Kristian Rosenvold a > > >> >> > > >>>> écrit > > >> >> > > >>>> > > >> >> > > >>>>> I had a look through a few projects, and it would seem to > > >> >> > > >>>>> me > > >> >> > > >>>>> like > > >> >> > > >>>>> "know" 90% of the committers because they are all > > >> >> > > >>>>> associated > > >> >> > > >>>>> with > > >> >> > > >>>>> maven, most of them are also active. There's a further 5 > > >> >> > > >>>>> or > > >> >> > > >>>>> so > > >> >> > > >>>>> committers that are well known community folks that we > > >> >> > > >>>>> could > > >> >> > > >>>>> probably > > >> >> > > >>>>> get hold of easily. It would appear to me this group is > > >> >> > > >>>>> 95% > > >> >> > > >>>>> or > > >> >> > > >>>>> so > > >> >> > > >>>>> of > > >> >> > > >>>>> the commits. There's a handful of names I am unsure if > > >> >> > > >>>>> we'll > > >> >> > > >>>>> be > > >> >> > > >>>>> able > > >> >> > > >>>>> to locate, the contributions I've seen from these names > > >> >> > > >>>>> are > > >> >> > > >>>>> small. > > >> >> > > >>>>> > > >> >> > > >>>>> I think it all amounts to something like this: > > >> >> > > >>>>> For quite a few of the plexus repos we have close to 100% > > >> >> > > >>>>> of > > >> >> > > >>>>> the > > >> >> > > >>>>> committers as currently active maven community members. > > >> >> > > >>>>> For yet another bunch of projects we have one or two > > >> >> > > >>>>> significant > > >> >> > > >>>>> non-maven contributors that we may be able to get hold of. > > >> >> > > >>>>> For plexus-utils the list is a bit longer, but there's a > > >> >> > > >>>>> lot > > >> >> > > >>>>> of > > >> >> > > >>>>> smaller contributions that'd normally go below the CLA > > >> >> > > >>>>> radar. > > >> >> > > >>>>> > > >> >> > > >>>>> I suppose we'd need to get some kind of exact metric to > > >> >> > > >>>>> measure > > >> >> > > >>>>> by > > >> >> > > >>>>> if > > >> >> > > >>>>> we were to make an even more structured attempt at > > >> >> > > >>>>> evaluating > > >> >> > > >>>>> compliance..? > > >> >> > > >>>>> > > >> >> > > >>>>> Kristian > > >> >> > > >>>>> > > >> >> > > >>>>> 2014-09-03 21:50 GMT+02:00 Jason van Zyl <[email protected]>: > > >> >> > > >>>>>> For everything significant where significant is defined > > >> >> > > >>>>>> as > > >> >> > > >>>>>> more > > >> >> > > >>>>>> than > > >> >> > > >>>>>> 200 > > >> >> > > >>>>>> lines. I don't think we have any of those, and if we > > >> >> > > >>>>>> actually > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > expunged > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>> from the source classes we don't actually use we're > > >> >> > > >>>>>> definitely > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > safe.> > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>> On Sep 3, 2014, at 3:27 PM, Benson Margulies > > >> >> > > >>>>>> <[email protected] > > >> >> > > >>>> > > >> >> > > >>>> wrote: > > >> >> > > >>>>>>> If _everyone_ is present and accounted for, I agree. > > >> >> > > >>>>>>> > > >> >> > > >>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Jason van Zyl > > >> >> > > >>>>>>> <[email protected]> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > > >> wrote: > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> Yes, I think everyone is making this 10x more > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> complicated > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> than > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> it > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> is. > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> Our existing CLAs apply. If you wrote the code, you can > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> contribute > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> it. > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> For modello, plexus-utils, and plexus-classworlds we're > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> covered > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> as > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> far > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> as I can tell.>>> > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> On Sep 3, 2014, at 2:44 PM, Kristian Rosenvold > > >> >> > > >>>> > > >> >> > > >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> To my best knowledge, *all* of the substantial > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> contributors > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> to > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > all > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> the > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> plexus repositories I have seen are available to us, > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> most > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> of > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> them > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> are > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> PMC's or emeritus, and still "around" in some fashion > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> or > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> another. > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> Could we make all of them submit some kind of written > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> submission > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > to > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> the ASF ? I would actually think that would cover a > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> decent > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> 95% > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> of > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> the > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> significant contributions, and in quite a few (maybe > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> even > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> all...) > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> of > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> the repos it would cover 100% ? > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> (I am assuming they'll be willing to make such a > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> submission...) > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> Kristian > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> 2014-09-03 19:07 GMT+02:00 Benson Margulies > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > > >> <[email protected]>: > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 3:02 AM, Karl Heinz Marbaise > > >> >> > > >>>> > > >> >> > > >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Hi, > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> On 9/2/14 11:18 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Gang, doesn't the board of the ASF have very > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> strong, > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> negative, > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> feelings about ASF PMC's controlling and > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> maintaining > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> code > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> outside > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> of > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> the ASF? > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Is there any evident about that ? any official > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> statement > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> about > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> that > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> from ASF Board ? > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> I'm working on getting a pointer to a written policy. > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile, > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/apache-software-foundatio > > >> >> > > n-> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>> la > > >> >> > > >>>>> > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> un > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> ches-apache-extras/#!bO9wnv describes a scheme to > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> allow > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> people > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > who > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> are > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> _not_ an Apache PMC to > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> manage Apache-related projects. There is, I predict, > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> a > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> fine > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> line > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> between 'some people who happen to be Maven PMC > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> members' > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> and > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > 'the > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> Maven PMC', and I'm trying to save us from getting > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> swatted > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> from > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> crossing it. > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I confess that I found this whole topic extremely > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> confusing, > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> what with the googlecode 'Apache Extras' business. > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> We > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> might > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > want > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> to > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> ask for some clarification before we go here. > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Karl Heinz Marbaise > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/2/14 2:56 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote: > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I asked Github to give us github.com/maven for > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> our > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3rd > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > party > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> code > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone is using it. Maybe Hervé can setup > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> github.com/apachemaven > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and we > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> move those Git repositories there. > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately github.com/apachemaven is also > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> occupied > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> already... > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Karl-Heinz Marbaise > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 2, 2014, at 3:09 AM, Kristian Rosenvold > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have started talking about moving them > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> somewhere, > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > the > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have come tom restart that discussion. > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can either ask Brian for access or have one > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existing > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committers apply your pull request. Just a > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regular > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pull > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> request > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> github should do. > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kristian > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014-09-01 22:37 GMT+02:00 Karl Heinz Marbaise > > >> >> > > >>>> > > >> >> > > >>>> <[email protected]>: > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i just want to know how we handle things which > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> located > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> components > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like plexus-archiver etc. > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Currently i'm diving into some problems and > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > checkin > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improvments > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the plexus-archiver... > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can i gain commit access to those > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> components > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ? > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karl-Heinz Marbaise > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> >> > > - > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> -- > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> -- > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> >> > > -- > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> -- > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> - > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> >> > > -- > > >> >> > > - > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> -- > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> [email protected] > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>> [email protected] > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> Thanks, > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> Jason > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------- > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> -- > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> - > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> Jason van Zyl > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> Founder, Apache Maven > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------- > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> -- > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> A man enjoys his work when he understands the whole and > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> when > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> he > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> is responsible for the quality of the whole > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> > > >> >> > > >>>>>>>> -- Christopher Alexander, A Pattern Language > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> >> > > -- > > >> >> > > --- > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > > >> >> > > >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: > > >> >> > > >>>>>>> [email protected] > > >> >> > > >>>>>> > > >> >> > > >>>>>> Thanks, > > >> >> > > >>>>>> > > >> >> > > >>>>>> Jason > > >> >> > > >>>>>> > > >> >> > > >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- > > >> >> > > >>>>>> - > > >> >> > > >>>>>> Jason van Zyl > > >> >> > > >>>>>> Founder, Apache Maven > > >> >> > > >>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl > > >> >> > > >>>>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io > > >> >> > > >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- > > >> >> > > >>>>>> > > >> >> > > >>>>>> happiness is like a butterfly: the more you chase it, the > > >> >> > > >>>>>> more > > >> >> > > >>>>>> it > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > will > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>> elude you, but if you turn your attention to other > > >> >> > > >>>>>> things, > > >> >> > > >>>>>> it > > >> >> > > >>>>>> will > > >> >> > > >>>>>> come > > >> >> > > >>>>>> and sit softly on your shoulder ... > > >> >> > > >>>>>> > > >> >> > > >>>>>> -- Thoreau > > >> >> > > >>>>> > > >> >> > > >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------- > > >> >> > > >>>>> -- > > >> >> > > >>>>> --- > > >> >> > > >>>>> --- > > >> >> > > >>>>> -- > > >> >> > > >>>>> - > > >> >> > > >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > > >> >> > > >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > >> >> > > >>>> > > >> >> > > >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------- > > >> >> > > >>>> -- > > >> >> > > >>>> --- > > >> >> > > >>>> --- > > >> >> > > >>>> -- > > >> >> > > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > > >> >> > > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > >> >> > > >>> > > >> >> > > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------ > > >> >> > > >>> -- > > >> >> > > >>> --- > > >> >> > > >>> --- > > >> >> > > >>> - 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