+1 support for graduation.
On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Yanhui ZHAO <yanhui.z...@outlook.com> wrote: > Hi Gary > > > +1 support for graduation. > > > Thank you and other devs for all the hard work committed to this project. It > has been much fun working with you guys, and I look forward to more > challenges and excitements after the graduation! > > > Cheers! > > > Yanhui > > ________________________________ > From: Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2017 12:00:03 PM > To: John D. Ament; dev@mnemonic.incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation? > > Hi John, Our Mentors and PPMCs > > We have prepared Apache Maturity checklist for your evaluation, please > guide us to graduate our project, thanks. > > All comments and suggestions are welcome! > > Cheers! > Gary > > > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> wrote: > >> Hi John >> >> Fixed it, Thank you for reminding me >> >> Very truly yours >> Gary >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 12:39 PM, John D. Ament <johndam...@apache.org> >> wrote: >> >>> Please take a look at https://dist.apache.org/rep >>> os/dist/dev/incubator/mnemonic/ >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:55 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi John >>>> >>>> This issue has been fixed please refresh your browser and then review >>>> it, Thanks! >>>> >>>> Very truly yours >>>> Gary >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi John >>>>> >>>>> I didn't realize that and thank you very much for pointing it out, we >>>>> will correct this according to your guidance. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks! >>>>> Very truly yours >>>>> Gary >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:54 AM, John D. Ament <johndam...@apache.org> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, but you're still out of compliance. >>>>>> >>>>>> - You're linking directly to your un-mirrored artifacts, but you >>>>>> should be linking to your mirrored artifacts. >>>>>> - You have not cleaned up your old releases, your old releases should >>>>>> be archived. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now here's the catch - we require mirroring but I can't find anything >>>>>> saying what the mirroring URL is. The format is going to be >>>>>> http://apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/mnemonic and you'll want >>>>>> to grab your specific version from there. >>>>>> >>>>>> John >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:31 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi John, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Download menu item has been added to the navigator in home page, >>>>>>> Please refresh your browser to review it, Thank you very much for the >>>>>>> suggestion. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Very truly yours >>>>>>> Gary >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi John, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can download all versions of the package from Apache >>>>>>>> distribution site that is linked from the following web page >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Also, we can download them from Apache Mirrored Github page >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We could add another menu item on top of home page dedicated for >>>>>>>> downloading the latest one. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Very truly yours >>>>>>>> Gary >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:40 PM, John D. Ament < >>>>>>>> johndam...@apache.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm looking at your website. How do I download Mnemonic? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> John >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:37 PM Gary Wong <qich...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Uma >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, We are going to send out this checklist for PPMC review, >>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much for the guidance. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Very truly yours >>>>>>>>>> Gary >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Gangumalla, Uma < >>>>>>>>>> uma.ganguma...@intel.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for graduation. >>>>>>>>>>> What is the mentors call on this? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I remember many other projects do Maturity model checklist to >>>>>>>>>>> check where >>>>>>>>>>> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet, so that will help >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> assess better? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> Uma >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George" <jo...@apache.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >It seems that we are ready to be a top level project . We have >>>>>>>>>>> a stable >>>>>>>>>>> >release and we work well as a apache community under the >>>>>>>>>>> guidance of our >>>>>>>>>>> >mentors. Any thoughts? >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang < >>>>>>>>>>> ga...@apache.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> Dear John and Patrick, >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the construction >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic >>>>>>>>>>> >> Website recently according to your feedback, this Apache >>>>>>>>>>> server hosted >>>>>>>>>>> >> website will be kept up to date and maintained by dedicated >>>>>>>>>>> community >>>>>>>>>>> >> members. we also have redirected the visitors from Github to >>>>>>>>>>> our Apache >>>>>>>>>>> >> server hosted website by providing a forward link in project >>>>>>>>>>> README.md >>>>>>>>>>> >> file. Please review it as follows. >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/ >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected view of this >>>>>>>>>>> website, >>>>>>>>>>> >>please >>>>>>>>>>> >> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito mode. >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Very truly yours. >>>>>>>>>>> >> Gary >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament < >>>>>>>>>>> johndam...@apache.org> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > Hi patrick, >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I recently raised an issue with the website to the team. I >>>>>>>>>>> personally >>>>>>>>>>> >> > would like to see that fixed before a graduation. >>>>>>>>>>> Specifically saying >>>>>>>>>>> >> that >>>>>>>>>>> >> > you need to learn it from github. >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > John >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt < >>>>>>>>>>> ph...@apache.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Given the recent work to bring on additional RMs (and >>>>>>>>>>> increase >>>>>>>>>>> >> community >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > involvement in general) and clearly document release >>>>>>>>>>> procedures I >>>>>>>>>>> >>feel >>>>>>>>>>> >> > that >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > my previous concerns have been largely addressed. If there >>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>> >>interest >>>>>>>>>>> >> in >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > the community I would now be in favor, but up to you - do >>>>>>>>>>> you feel >>>>>>>>>>> >> you're >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > ready to graduate at this point? >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Patrick >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti Dutta < >>>>>>>>>>> ddu...@apache.org> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On the diversity issue, we are trying to solve that with >>>>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>>>> >> committers >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> from different organizations. We have had contributions >>>>>>>>>>> from other >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> companies like Cisco recently. >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> This space is about to heat up soon and we will see more >>>>>>>>>>> >>committers. >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> cheers >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> debo >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick Hunt < >>>>>>>>>>> ph...@apache.org> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > I've mentored a number of podlings over the years and >>>>>>>>>>> this one if >>>>>>>>>>> >> very >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> well >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As noted my main >>>>>>>>>>> concern is >>>>>>>>>>> >>about >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > diversity - in particular "self-sustaining and >>>>>>>>>>> self-governing >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> communities". >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > http://incubator.apache.org/gu >>>>>>>>>>> ides/graduation.html#community >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise statements from the >>>>>>>>>>> Apache >>>>>>>>>>> >>community >>>>>>>>>>> >> > as >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> a >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is following >>>>>>>>>>> "the apache >>>>>>>>>>> >>way" >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> quite >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well, so it's really the sustaining part for me. >>>>>>>>>>> Ensuring that >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> community is >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > being built and the community as a whole is owning the >>>>>>>>>>> process. >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Hope this helps, regards, >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Patrick >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Purtell >>>>>>>>>>> >><apurt...@apache.org >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > For me the best test if a podling is ready for >>>>>>>>>>> graduation is >>>>>>>>>>> >>they >>>>>>>>>>> >> do >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> it >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic, I'd encourage >>>>>>>>>>> you to >>>>>>>>>>> >>search >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > through >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > the incubator mailing list archives for examples of >>>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>>> >>podlings >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > running >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > a graduation vote and submitting the result to the >>>>>>>>>>> IPMC. Then, >>>>>>>>>>> >>do >>>>>>>>>>> >> > it. >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to bring in more RMs >>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> >>response >>>>>>>>>>> >> to >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone is aware of it. >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I >>>>>>>>>>> >> didn't >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> think >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > that the incubator report might not be read back. >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John D. Ament < >>>>>>>>>>> >> > johndam...@apache.org> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Patrick, >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I read it. I'm curious, did you or Andrew share >>>>>>>>>>> your feedback >>>>>>>>>>> >> with >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Mnemonic directly? I've noticed that podlings >>>>>>>>>>> sometimes don't >>>>>>>>>>> >> see >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> input, and don't receive responses the way TLPs do. >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> For the podling's information, we do also maintain a >>>>>>>>>>> whimsy >>>>>>>>>>> >>page >>>>>>>>>>> >> of >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> all >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> approved board reports per project, Mnemonic can see >>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> >> > information >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> here: >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Mnemonic >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> When I see a podling receiving 5 +1's on a dev list >>>>>>>>>>> release >>>>>>>>>>> >>vote, >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > that's a >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> great sign. >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> There probably is room for more on list discussion, >>>>>>>>>>> and yes >>>>>>>>>>> >>the >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > committer >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I would be curious to >>>>>>>>>>> see company >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> affiliations). >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I'll also point out that I sometimes ask these >>>>>>>>>>> questions to >>>>>>>>>>> >> > podlings >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> to >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> them to start thinking about graduation, not >>>>>>>>>>> actually moving >>>>>>>>>>> >> > forward >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> yet >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> due to $reasons. >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM Patrick Hunt < >>>>>>>>>>> ph...@apache.org> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Hi John, did you read my feedback on the most >>>>>>>>>>> recent podling >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> report? >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Do >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > you disagree? I don't believe this has changed >>>>>>>>>>> >>significantly in >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > past >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > month/two. For example all releases have been done >>>>>>>>>>> by a >>>>>>>>>>> >>single >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> person. >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2017 >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > As I've mentioned previously my only concerns at >>>>>>>>>>> this point >>>>>>>>>>> >>are >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> around >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > diversity. >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Patrick >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang < >>>>>>>>>>> >> > ga...@apache.org >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Hi John and PPMCs >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> As John advised, our community and project >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic might >>>>>>>>>>> >>be >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> ready to >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> graduated, I'd like to start the following votes >>>>>>>>>>> according >>>>>>>>>>> >>to >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> processes >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> of http://incubator.apache.org/gu >>>>>>>>>>> ides/graduation.html with >>>>>>>>>>> >> your >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> mentoring >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> and guidance if no objection today >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - Community graduation vote >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - IPMC recommendation vote >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Mnemonic Project Incubation Status >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> http://incubator.apache.org/pr >>>>>>>>>>> ojects/mnemonic.html >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Very truly yours >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> +Gary >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang < >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> ga...@apache.org> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Hi John >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thank you for starting this discussion. >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Yes, our community is growing and continue to >>>>>>>>>>> attract >>>>>>>>>>> >>more >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> people >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > to >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> join >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > our community. Some industry users are aware of >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic >>>>>>>>>>> >>and >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > already >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > interested as i known. >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Mnemonic is able to deliver unique values to >>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>> >>business >>>>>>>>>>> >> > so I >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> think >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > that it is very important for us to get mnemonic >>>>>>>>>>> >>graduated >>>>>>>>>>> >> in >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> time >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > if >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > qualified. >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > My 2 cents, looks nothing left for us to >>>>>>>>>>> graduate >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic, >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I'm >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > also >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > looking forward to propose our project as >>>>>>>>>>> Apache TLP. >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thanks! >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Very truly yours >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Gary >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, John D. Ament < >>>>>>>>>>> >> johndam...@apache.org >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC, >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > After looking at your recent release, your >>>>>>>>>>> current >>>>>>>>>>> >>growth >>>>>>>>>>> >> > and >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > functioning PPMC, was wondering what was left >>>>>>>>>>> for you >>>>>>>>>>> >>guys >>>>>>>>>>> >> to >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> graduate? >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > John >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > -- >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Best regards, >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > - Andy >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > If you are given a choice, you believe you have acted >>>>>>>>>>> freely. - >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> Raymond >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Teller (via Peter Watts) >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>
