Let me summarize the discussion on graduation, Please refer to this email thread for details.
1) We have completed the website of Mnemonic that is required before graduation http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/ 2) We have filled the Apache project maturity assessment for Mnemonic and fixed all gaps that would be helpful for graduation https://docs.google.com/document/d/10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg7jLFp-ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing 3) Many contributed have voted +1s for this graduation Please add yours if any before we are starting graduation votes, Thanks! Cheers Gary On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> wrote: > Hi John, Mentors and PPMCs > > Looks no new issues crop up for a few days, and many contributors are > positive and voted +1s for graduation, no negative from our community, so I > think this discussion could be settled down today and proceed to collect > votes from our community and IPMCs for graduation, please guide us if any > missing, misunderstanding and suggestion, Thanks! > > Very truly yours > Gary > > > On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> > wrote: > >> Hi John, Mentors and PPMCs >> >> Looks we have resolved all the issues that you have pointed out for >> graduation, meanwhile, there are more contributors +1 for our project's >> graduation so, could we start the community graduation vote and IPMC >> graduation vote according to the following chart extracted from >> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community ? Thanks! >> >> [image: Inline image 1] >> >> Very truly yours >> Gary >> >> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:22 PM, Wen Tong <pures...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> +1 support for graduation. >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 5:35 AM, Wei HE <hevei...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > +1 support for graduation. >>> > >>> > Wei HE >>> > >>> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> >> Yes, I also totally agree this and we will try our best for the >>> readiness >>> >> for the graduation. >>> >> >>> >> For the suggestion that John advised, we have prepared the following >>> >> comments for your review, Thanks! >>> >> >>> >> *CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that brought me >>> to >>> >> your source code. Other projects use hacking guides. Unless you're >>> on >>> >> gitbox, the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos.* >>> >> >>> >> The github link has been removed from CD20 and using >>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/develop/ as the link of >>> website. we >>> >> also create ticket MNEMONIC-355 (resolved) to remove Github link from >>> >> navigator menu on website. >>> >> >>> >> *CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of this item, >>> from >>> >> my point of view. In your case, you're pointing to "centos:latest" >>> which >>> >> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.* >>> >> >>> >> Yes, we will fix it through Apache Jira MNEMONIC-353(reviewed) and >>> >> MNEMONIC-356(WIP) >>> >> >>> >> *CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are from >>> committers >>> >> or from contributors. If I take >>> >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60 >>> >> <https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60> as an >>> example, the >>> >> commit message says nothing about provenance of the source code.* >>> >> >>> >> We have requested to revoke all stalled PRs, and all commit messages >>> must >>> >> contain Apache JIRA number and title. >>> >> >>> >> *LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect (the use of >>> >> *most*)* >>> >> >>> >> Yes we will correct it with "The files in the project source >>> repository >>> >> have appropriate headers", The files under target/ that generated by >>> mvn >>> >> building process would be excluded and all other project files have >>> been >>> >> properly licensed and guarded by RAT plugin. >>> >> >>> >> *RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/ >>> >> <http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/> but that doesn't >>> include any >>> >> download links. http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/ >>> >> <http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/> does include >>> download >>> >> links to the proper release mirrors.* >>> >> >>> >> That has been corrected by replacing it with the link >>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/ >>> >> >>> >> *RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).* >>> >> >>> >> Yes, we started with the community vote for releasing and the result >>> >> explicitly shows binding and non-binding votes. >>> >> >>> >> *RE30 - Again, not using mirror.* >>> >> >>> >> Looks no mirror link in this field. >>> >> >>> >> *RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute binary >>> >> releases."* >>> >> >>> >> Yes it is and corrected >>> >> >>> >> *RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old artifacts.* >>> >> >>> >> Sorry I forgot it and corrected it by the Apache Jira ticket >>> MNEMONIC-357 >>> >> (resolved) as well as MNEMONIC-358 (resolved) >>> >> >>> >> *QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports. You may want to use >>> >> linters, sonar, etc.* >>> >> >>> >> Yes, we will investigate this plugin and apply them to project later, >>> as >>> >> for now, the QU10 has been replaced with "YES. The project records >>> all bugs >>> >> in the Apache’s JIRA issue tracker. Developer also uses Eclipse or >>> Intellij >>> >> IDEA to improve their code quality." >>> >> >>> >> *QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security vulnerability >>> >> reported. If you haven't had one reported, there's no way to confirm >>> >> this.* >>> >> >>> >> The QU20 has been replaced with "YES. Security issues would be >>> treated with >>> >> the highest priority, computing service and memory service are >>> separated >>> >> from other modules and defined by interfaces, so security concerns >>> could be >>> >> largely mitigated by introduced this design at first place.", that >>> this >>> >> emphasize we consider the security aspect from design viewpoint as >>> well. >>> >> >>> >> *QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for around 6 >>> months.* >>> >> >>> >> We have asked owners to properly handle those tickets >>> >> >>> >> *CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any commentary or >>> >> questions from the project's committers. Why is that?* >>> >> >>> >> They are stalled PRs, we have asked the owner to properly revoke them. >>> >> >>> >> *The full checklist as follows for you to add comments* >>> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg7jLFp >>> >> -ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing >>> >> >>> >> Very truly yours >>> >> Gary >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 2:25 PM, John D. Ament <johndam...@apache.org >>> > >>> >> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> > Huge +1 to that. >>> >> > >>> >> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 5:18 PM Henry Saputra < >>> henry.sapu...@gmail.com> >>> >> > wrote: >>> >> > >>> >> > > The "checklist" suppose to just provide guide for readiness our >>> >> > > graduation. It was NOT mandatory checklist. >>> >> > > >>> >> > > This should be used primarily for self check to make sure we are >>> ready >>> >> > for >>> >> > > graduation. >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > - Henry >>> >> > > >>> >> > > On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 7:50 PM, John D. Ament < >>> johndam...@apache.org> >>> >> > > wrote: >>> >> > > >>> >> > >> Hello, >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> So first, I'll say its always great to see a podling aim to >>> graduate. >>> >> > Its >>> >> > >> not up to me to measure whether the podling has been successful >>> or >>> >> not, >>> >> > >> but >>> >> > >> instead the IPMC as a whole. I can give you some feedback on >>> the APMM >>> >> > >> assessment, but I'll point out that I'm not a fan of this form >>> and >>> >> > >> completing this form is not a requirement for graduation. >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> So please, when reviewing the below list, understand that >>> completing >>> >> > this >>> >> > >> is not a requirement for graduation. Even then, podlings who >>> think >>> >> they >>> >> > >> pass it may be missing things. >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that brought >>> me to >>> >> > >> your >>> >> > >> source code. Other projects use hacking guides. Unless you're >>> on >>> >> > gitbox, >>> >> > >> the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos. >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of this >>> item, >>> >> > from >>> >> > >> my point of view. In your case, you're pointing to >>> "centos:latest" >>> >> > which >>> >> > >> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3. >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are from >>> >> > committers >>> >> > >> or from contributors. If I take >>> >> > >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60 as an >>> example, >>> >> the >>> >> > >> commit message says nothing about provenance of the source code. >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect (the >>> use of >>> >> > >> *most*) >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/ >>> but >>> >> that >>> >> > >> doesn't include any download links. >>> >> > >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/ does include >>> download >>> >> > >> links >>> >> > >> to the proper release mirrors. >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC). >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> RE30 - Again, not using mirror. >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute binary >>> >> > releases." >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old artifacts. >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports. You may want to >>> use >>> >> > >> linters, >>> >> > >> sonar, etc. >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security >>> vulnerability >>> >> > >> reported. If you haven't had one reported, there's no way to >>> confirm >>> >> > >> this. >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for around 6 >>> months. >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any >>> commentary or >>> >> > >> questions from the project's committers. Why is that? >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> Regards, >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> John >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 3:00 PM Gang(Gary) Wang < >>> ga...@apache.org> >>> >> > wrote: >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> > Hi John, Our Mentors and PPMCs >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > We have prepared Apache Maturity checklist for your evaluation, >>> >> please >>> >> > >> > guide us to graduate our project, thanks. >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > All comments and suggestions are welcome! >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > Cheers! >>> >> > >> > Gary >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang < >>> ga...@apache.org> >>> >> > >> wrote: >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> >> Hi John >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> > >> >> Fixed it, Thank you for reminding me >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> > >> >> Very truly yours >>> >> > >> >> Gary >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> > >> >> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 12:39 PM, John D. Ament < >>> >> > johndam...@apache.org >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> >> wrote: >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> > >> >>> Please take a look at >>> >> > >> >>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/mnemonic/ >>> >> > >> >>> >>> >> > >> >>> >>> >> > >> >>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:55 PM Gang(Gary) Wang < >>> ga...@apache.org >>> >> > >>> >> > >> >>> wrote: >>> >> > >> >>> >>> >> > >> >>>> Hi John >>> >> > >> >>>> >>> >> > >> >>>> This issue has been fixed please refresh your browser and >>> then >>> >> > review >>> >> > >> >>>> it, Thanks! >>> >> > >> >>>> >>> >> > >> >>>> Very truly yours >>> >> > >> >>>> Gary >>> >> > >> >>>> >>> >> > >> >>>> >>> >> > >> >>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang < >>> >> > ga...@apache.org> >>> >> > >> >>>> wrote: >>> >> > >> >>>> >>> >> > >> >>>>> Hi John >>> >> > >> >>>>> >>> >> > >> >>>>> I didn't realize that and thank you very much for pointing >>> it >>> >> out, >>> >> > >> we >>> >> > >> >>>>> will correct this according to your guidance. >>> >> > >> >>>>> >>> >> > >> >>>>> Thanks! >>> >> > >> >>>>> Very truly yours >>> >> > >> >>>>> Gary >>> >> > >> >>>>> >>> >> > >> >>>>> >>> >> > >> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:54 AM, John D. Ament < >>> >> > >> johndam...@apache.org> >>> >> > >> >>>>> wrote: >>> >> > >> >>>>> >>> >> > >> >>>>>> Thanks, but you're still out of compliance. >>> >> > >> >>>>>> >>> >> > >> >>>>>> - You're linking directly to your un-mirrored artifacts, >>> but >>> >> you >>> >> > >> >>>>>> should be linking to your mirrored artifacts. >>> >> > >> >>>>>> - You have not cleaned up your old releases, your old >>> releases >>> >> > >> should >>> >> > >> >>>>>> be archived. >>> >> > >> >>>>>> >>> >> > >> >>>>>> Now here's the catch - we require mirroring but I can't >>> find >>> >> > >> anything >>> >> > >> >>>>>> saying what the mirroring URL is. The format is going to >>> be >>> >> > >> >>>>>> http://apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/mnemonic and >>> you'll >>> >> > >> want >>> >> > >> >>>>>> to grab your specific version from there. >>> >> > >> >>>>>> >>> >> > >> >>>>>> John >>> >> > >> >>>>>> >>> >> > >> >>>>>> >>> >> > >> >>>>>> >>> >> > >> >>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:31 PM Gang(Gary) Wang < >>> >> > ga...@apache.org> >>> >> > >> >>>>>> wrote: >>> >> > >> >>>>>> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Hi John, >>> >> > >> >>>>>>> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>> The Download menu item has been added to the navigator >>> in home >>> >> > >> page, >>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Please refresh your browser to review it, Thank you very >>> much >>> >> > for >>> >> > >> the >>> >> > >> >>>>>>> suggestion. >>> >> > >> >>>>>>> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Very truly yours >>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Gary >>> >> > >> >>>>>>> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang < >>> >> > >> ga...@apache.org> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>> wrote: >>> >> > >> >>>>>>> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Hi John, >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> You can download all versions of the package from Apache >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> distribution site that is linked from the following web >>> page >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Also, we can download them from Apache Mirrored Github >>> page >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> We could add another menu item on top of home page >>> dedicated >>> >> > for >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> downloading the latest one. >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Thanks! >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Very truly yours >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Gary >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:40 PM, John D. Ament < >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> johndam...@apache.org> wrote: >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> I'm looking at your website. How do I download >>> Mnemonic? >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> John >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:37 PM Gary Wong < >>> >> qich...@gmail.com> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Uma >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, We are going to send out this checklist for PPMC >>> >> review, >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much for the guidance. >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Very truly yours >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Gary >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Gangumalla, Uma < >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> uma.ganguma...@intel.com> wrote: >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for >>> graduation. >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> What is the mentors call on this? >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> I remember many other projects do Maturity model >>> checklist >>> >> > to >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> check where >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet, so >>> that >>> >> will >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> help to >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> assess better? >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Uma >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George" < >>> jo...@apache.org> >>> >> > >> wrote: >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >It seems that we are ready to be a top level >>> project . >>> >> We >>> >> > >> have >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> a stable >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >release and we work well as a apache community >>> under the >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> guidance of our >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >mentors. Any thoughts? >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang < >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ga...@apache.org> wrote: >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Dear John and Patrick, >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> construction of >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Website recently according to your feedback, this >>> >> Apache >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> server hosted >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> website will be kept up to date and maintained by >>> >> > dedicated >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> community >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> members. we also have redirected the visitors >>> from >>> >> > Github >>> >> > >> to >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> our Apache >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> server hosted website by providing a forward link >>> in >>> >> > >> project >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> README.md >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> file. Please review it as follows. >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/ >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected view >>> of >>> >> this >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> website, >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>please >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito mode. >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Very truly yours. >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Gary >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament < >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> johndam...@apache.org> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote: >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > Hi patrick, >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I recently raised an issue with the website to >>> the >>> >> > >> team. I >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> personally >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > would like to see that fixed before a >>> graduation. >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Specifically saying >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> that >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > you need to learn it from github. >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > John >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt < >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ph...@apache.org> wrote: >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Given the recent work to bring on additional >>> RMs >>> >> (and >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> increase >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> community >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > involvement in general) and clearly document >>> >> release >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> procedures I >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>feel >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > that >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > my previous concerns have been largely >>> addressed. >>> >> If >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> there is >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>interest >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> in >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > the community I would now be in favor, but up >>> to >>> >> you >>> >> > - >>> >> > >> do >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> you feel >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> you're >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > ready to graduate at this point? >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Regards, >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Patrick >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti >>> Dutta < >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ddu...@apache.org> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > wrote: >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On the diversity issue, we are trying to >>> solve >>> >> that >>> >> > >> with >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> new >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> committers >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> from different organizations. We have had >>> >> > >> contributions >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> from other >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> companies like Cisco recently. >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> This space is about to heat up soon and we >>> will >>> >> see >>> >> > >> more >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>committers. >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> cheers >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> debo >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick Hunt >>> < >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ph...@apache.org> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote: >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > I've mentored a number of podlings over the >>> >> years >>> >> > >> and >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> this one if >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> very >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> well >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As noted >>> my >>> >> main >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> concern is >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>about >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > diversity - in particular "self-sustaining >>> and >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> self-governing >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> communities". >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html# >>> >> > community >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise statements >>> from >>> >> > the >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Apache >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>community >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > as >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> a >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is >>> >> > following >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> "the apache >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>way" >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> quite >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well, so it's really the sustaining part >>> for me. >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Ensuring that >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> community is >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > being built and the community as a whole is >>> >> owning >>> >> > >> the >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> process. >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Hope this helps, regards, >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Patrick >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew >>> Purtell >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >><apurt...@apache.org >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > wrote: >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > For me the best test if a podling is >>> ready for >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduation is >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>they >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> do >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> it >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic, >>> I'd >>> >> > >> encourage >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> you to >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>search >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > through >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > the incubator mailing list archives for >>> >> examples >>> >> > >> of >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> other >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>podlings >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > running >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > a graduation vote and submitting the >>> result to >>> >> > the >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> IPMC. Then, >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>do >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > it. >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to bring >>> in >>> >> more >>> >> > >> RMs >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> in >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>response >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone is >>> aware >>> >> of >>> >> > >> it. >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> didn't >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> think >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > that the incubator report might not be >>> read >>> >> > back. >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John D. >>> Ament >>> >> < >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > johndam...@apache.org> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > wrote: >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Patrick, >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I read it. I'm curious, did you or >>> Andrew >>> >> > share >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> your feedback >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> with >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Mnemonic directly? I've noticed that >>> >> podlings >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> sometimes don't >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> see >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> input, and don't receive responses the >>> way >>> >> TLPs >>> >> > >> do. >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> For the podling's information, we do >>> also >>> >> > >> maintain >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> a whimsy >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>page >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> of >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> all >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> approved board reports per project, >>> Mnemonic >>> >> > can >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> see that >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > information >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> here: >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/ >>> >> > board/minutes/Mnemonic >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> When I see a podling receiving 5 +1's >>> on a >>> >> dev >>> >> > >> list >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> release >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>vote, >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > that's a >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> great sign. >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> There probably is room for more on list >>> >> > >> discussion, >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> and yes >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>the >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > committer >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I would be >>> >> curious >>> >> > to >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> see company >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> affiliations). >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I'll also point out that I sometimes ask >>> >> these >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> questions to >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > podlings >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> to >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> them to start thinking about >>> graduation, not >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> actually moving >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > forward >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> yet >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> due to $reasons. >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM Patrick >>> Hunt < >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ph...@apache.org> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> wrote: >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Hi John, did you read my feedback on >>> the >>> >> most >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> recent podling >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> report? >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Do >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > you disagree? I don't believe this has >>> >> > changed >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>significantly in >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > past >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > month/two. For example all releases >>> have >>> >> been >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> done by a >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>single >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> person. >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/ >>> >> incubator/March2017 >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > As I've mentioned previously my only >>> >> concerns >>> >> > >> at >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> this point >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>are >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> around >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > diversity. >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Patrick >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM, >>> Gang(Gary) >>> >> > >> Wang < >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > ga...@apache.org >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote: >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Hi John and PPMCs >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> As John advised, our community and >>> project >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic might >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>be >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> ready to >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> graduated, I'd like to start the >>> following >>> >> > >> votes >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> according >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>to >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> processes >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> of >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html >>> with >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> your >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> mentoring >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> and guidance if no objection today >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - Community graduation vote >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - IPMC recommendation vote >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Mnemonic Project Incubation Status >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Very truly yours >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> +Gary >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM, >>> >> Gang(Gary) >>> >> > >> Wang >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> < >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> ga...@apache.org> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> wrote: >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Hi John >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thank you for starting this >>> discussion. >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Yes, our community is growing and >>> >> continue >>> >> > >> to >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> attract >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>more >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> people >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > to >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> join >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > our community. Some industry users >>> are >>> >> > aware >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> of mnemonic >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>and >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > already >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > interested as i known. >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Mnemonic is able to deliver unique >>> >> values >>> >> > to >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> their >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>business >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > so I >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> think >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > that it is very important for us >>> to get >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>graduated >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> in >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> time >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > if >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > qualified. >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > My 2 cents, looks nothing left for >>> us to >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduate >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic, >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I'm >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > also >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > looking forward to propose our >>> project >>> >> as >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Apache TLP. >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thanks! >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Very truly yours >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Gary >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, John D. >>> Ament < >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> johndam...@apache.org >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote: >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC, >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > After looking at your recent >>> release, >>> >> > your >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> current >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>growth >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > and >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > functioning PPMC, was wondering >>> what was >>> >> > >> left >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> for you >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>guys >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> graduate? >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > John >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > -- >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Best regards, >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > - Andy >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > If you are given a choice, you believe >>> you >>> >> have >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> acted freely. - >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> Raymond >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Teller (via Peter Watts) >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >>> >> > >> >>>>>>> >>> >> > >> >>>>> >>> >> > >> >>>> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> >> >
