+1 support for graduation.
On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 5:35 AM, Wei HE <hevei...@gmail.com> wrote: > +1 support for graduation. > > Wei HE > > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> wrote: > >> Yes, I also totally agree this and we will try our best for the readiness >> for the graduation. >> >> For the suggestion that John advised, we have prepared the following >> comments for your review, Thanks! >> >> *CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that brought me to >> your source code. Other projects use hacking guides. Unless you're on >> gitbox, the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos.* >> >> The github link has been removed from CD20 and using >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/develop/ as the link of website. we >> also create ticket MNEMONIC-355 (resolved) to remove Github link from >> navigator menu on website. >> >> *CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of this item, from >> my point of view. In your case, you're pointing to "centos:latest" which >> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.* >> >> Yes, we will fix it through Apache Jira MNEMONIC-353(reviewed) and >> MNEMONIC-356(WIP) >> >> *CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are from committers >> or from contributors. If I take >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60 >> <https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60> as an example, the >> commit message says nothing about provenance of the source code.* >> >> We have requested to revoke all stalled PRs, and all commit messages must >> contain Apache JIRA number and title. >> >> *LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect (the use of >> *most*)* >> >> Yes we will correct it with "The files in the project source repository >> have appropriate headers", The files under target/ that generated by mvn >> building process would be excluded and all other project files have been >> properly licensed and guarded by RAT plugin. >> >> *RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/ >> <http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/> but that doesn't include any >> download links. http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/ >> <http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/> does include download >> links to the proper release mirrors.* >> >> That has been corrected by replacing it with the link >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/ >> >> *RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).* >> >> Yes, we started with the community vote for releasing and the result >> explicitly shows binding and non-binding votes. >> >> *RE30 - Again, not using mirror.* >> >> Looks no mirror link in this field. >> >> *RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute binary >> releases."* >> >> Yes it is and corrected >> >> *RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old artifacts.* >> >> Sorry I forgot it and corrected it by the Apache Jira ticket MNEMONIC-357 >> (resolved) as well as MNEMONIC-358 (resolved) >> >> *QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports. You may want to use >> linters, sonar, etc.* >> >> Yes, we will investigate this plugin and apply them to project later, as >> for now, the QU10 has been replaced with "YES. The project records all bugs >> in the Apache’s JIRA issue tracker. Developer also uses Eclipse or Intellij >> IDEA to improve their code quality." >> >> *QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security vulnerability >> reported. If you haven't had one reported, there's no way to confirm >> this.* >> >> The QU20 has been replaced with "YES. Security issues would be treated with >> the highest priority, computing service and memory service are separated >> from other modules and defined by interfaces, so security concerns could be >> largely mitigated by introduced this design at first place.", that this >> emphasize we consider the security aspect from design viewpoint as well. >> >> *QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for around 6 months.* >> >> We have asked owners to properly handle those tickets >> >> *CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any commentary or >> questions from the project's committers. Why is that?* >> >> They are stalled PRs, we have asked the owner to properly revoke them. >> >> *The full checklist as follows for you to add comments* >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg7jLFp >> -ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing >> >> Very truly yours >> Gary >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 2:25 PM, John D. Ament <johndam...@apache.org> >> wrote: >> >> > Huge +1 to that. >> > >> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 5:18 PM Henry Saputra <henry.sapu...@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> > > The "checklist" suppose to just provide guide for readiness our >> > > graduation. It was NOT mandatory checklist. >> > > >> > > This should be used primarily for self check to make sure we are ready >> > for >> > > graduation. >> > > >> > > >> > > - Henry >> > > >> > > On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 7:50 PM, John D. Ament <johndam...@apache.org> >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > >> Hello, >> > >> >> > >> So first, I'll say its always great to see a podling aim to graduate. >> > Its >> > >> not up to me to measure whether the podling has been successful or >> not, >> > >> but >> > >> instead the IPMC as a whole. I can give you some feedback on the APMM >> > >> assessment, but I'll point out that I'm not a fan of this form and >> > >> completing this form is not a requirement for graduation. >> > >> >> > >> So please, when reviewing the below list, understand that completing >> > this >> > >> is not a requirement for graduation. Even then, podlings who think >> they >> > >> pass it may be missing things. >> > >> >> > >> CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that brought me to >> > >> your >> > >> source code. Other projects use hacking guides. Unless you're on >> > gitbox, >> > >> the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos. >> > >> >> > >> CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of this item, >> > from >> > >> my point of view. In your case, you're pointing to "centos:latest" >> > which >> > >> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3. >> > >> >> > >> CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are from >> > committers >> > >> or from contributors. If I take >> > >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60 as an example, >> the >> > >> commit message says nothing about provenance of the source code. >> > >> >> > >> LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect (the use of >> > >> *most*) >> > >> >> > >> RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/ but >> that >> > >> doesn't include any download links. >> > >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/ does include download >> > >> links >> > >> to the proper release mirrors. >> > >> >> > >> RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC). >> > >> >> > >> RE30 - Again, not using mirror. >> > >> >> > >> RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute binary >> > releases." >> > >> >> > >> RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old artifacts. >> > >> >> > >> QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports. You may want to use >> > >> linters, >> > >> sonar, etc. >> > >> >> > >> QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security vulnerability >> > >> reported. If you haven't had one reported, there's no way to confirm >> > >> this. >> > >> >> > >> QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for around 6 months. >> > >> >> > >> CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any commentary or >> > >> questions from the project's committers. Why is that? >> > >> >> > >> Regards, >> > >> >> > >> John >> > >> >> > >> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 3:00 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> > >> > Hi John, Our Mentors and PPMCs >> > >> > >> > >> > We have prepared Apache Maturity checklist for your evaluation, >> please >> > >> > guide us to graduate our project, thanks. >> > >> > >> > >> > All comments and suggestions are welcome! >> > >> > >> > >> > Cheers! >> > >> > Gary >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> >> > >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> >> Hi John >> > >> >> >> > >> >> Fixed it, Thank you for reminding me >> > >> >> >> > >> >> Very truly yours >> > >> >> Gary >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 12:39 PM, John D. Ament < >> > johndam...@apache.org >> > >> > >> > >> >> wrote: >> > >> >> >> > >> >>> Please take a look at >> > >> >>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/mnemonic/ >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:55 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org >> > >> > >> >>> wrote: >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>>> Hi John >> > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>> This issue has been fixed please refresh your browser and then >> > review >> > >> >>>> it, Thanks! >> > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>> Very truly yours >> > >> >>>> Gary >> > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang < >> > ga...@apache.org> >> > >> >>>> wrote: >> > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>>> Hi John >> > >> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> I didn't realize that and thank you very much for pointing it >> out, >> > >> we >> > >> >>>>> will correct this according to your guidance. >> > >> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> Thanks! >> > >> >>>>> Very truly yours >> > >> >>>>> Gary >> > >> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:54 AM, John D. Ament < >> > >> johndam...@apache.org> >> > >> >>>>> wrote: >> > >> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> Thanks, but you're still out of compliance. >> > >> >>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> - You're linking directly to your un-mirrored artifacts, but >> you >> > >> >>>>>> should be linking to your mirrored artifacts. >> > >> >>>>>> - You have not cleaned up your old releases, your old releases >> > >> should >> > >> >>>>>> be archived. >> > >> >>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> Now here's the catch - we require mirroring but I can't find >> > >> anything >> > >> >>>>>> saying what the mirroring URL is. The format is going to be >> > >> >>>>>> http://apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/mnemonic and you'll >> > >> want >> > >> >>>>>> to grab your specific version from there. >> > >> >>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> John >> > >> >>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:31 PM Gang(Gary) Wang < >> > ga...@apache.org> >> > >> >>>>>> wrote: >> > >> >>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Hi John, >> > >> >>>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> The Download menu item has been added to the navigator in home >> > >> page, >> > >> >>>>>>> Please refresh your browser to review it, Thank you very much >> > for >> > >> the >> > >> >>>>>>> suggestion. >> > >> >>>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Very truly yours >> > >> >>>>>>> Gary >> > >> >>>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang < >> > >> ga...@apache.org> >> > >> >>>>>>> wrote: >> > >> >>>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Hi John, >> > >> >>>>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> You can download all versions of the package from Apache >> > >> >>>>>>>> distribution site that is linked from the following web page >> > >> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases >> > >> >>>>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Also, we can download them from Apache Mirrored Github page >> > >> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases >> > >> >>>>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> We could add another menu item on top of home page dedicated >> > for >> > >> >>>>>>>> downloading the latest one. >> > >> >>>>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Thanks! >> > >> >>>>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Very truly yours >> > >> >>>>>>>> Gary >> > >> >>>>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:40 PM, John D. Ament < >> > >> >>>>>>>> johndam...@apache.org> wrote: >> > >> >>>>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> I'm looking at your website. How do I download Mnemonic? >> > >> >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> John >> > >> >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:37 PM Gary Wong < >> qich...@gmail.com> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > >> >>>>>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Uma >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, We are going to send out this checklist for PPMC >> review, >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much for the guidance. >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Very truly yours >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Gary >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Gangumalla, Uma < >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> uma.ganguma...@intel.com> wrote: >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for graduation. >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> What is the mentors call on this? >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> I remember many other projects do Maturity model checklist >> > to >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> check where >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet, so that >> will >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> help to >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> assess better? >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Uma >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George" <jo...@apache.org> >> > >> wrote: >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >It seems that we are ready to be a top level project . >> We >> > >> have >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> a stable >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >release and we work well as a apache community under the >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> guidance of our >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >mentors. Any thoughts? >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang < >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ga...@apache.org> wrote: >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Dear John and Patrick, >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> construction of >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Website recently according to your feedback, this >> Apache >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> server hosted >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> website will be kept up to date and maintained by >> > dedicated >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> community >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> members. we also have redirected the visitors from >> > Github >> > >> to >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> our Apache >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> server hosted website by providing a forward link in >> > >> project >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> README.md >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> file. Please review it as follows. >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/ >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected view of >> this >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> website, >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>please >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito mode. >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Very truly yours. >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Gary >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament < >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> johndam...@apache.org> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote: >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > Hi patrick, >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I recently raised an issue with the website to the >> > >> team. I >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> personally >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > would like to see that fixed before a graduation. >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Specifically saying >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> that >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > you need to learn it from github. >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > John >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt < >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ph...@apache.org> wrote: >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Given the recent work to bring on additional RMs >> (and >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> increase >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> community >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > involvement in general) and clearly document >> release >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> procedures I >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>feel >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > that >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > my previous concerns have been largely addressed. >> If >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> there is >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>interest >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> in >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > the community I would now be in favor, but up to >> you >> > - >> > >> do >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> you feel >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> you're >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > ready to graduate at this point? >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Regards, >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Patrick >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti Dutta < >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ddu...@apache.org> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > wrote: >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On the diversity issue, we are trying to solve >> that >> > >> with >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> new >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> committers >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> from different organizations. We have had >> > >> contributions >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> from other >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> companies like Cisco recently. >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> This space is about to heat up soon and we will >> see >> > >> more >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>committers. >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> cheers >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> debo >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick Hunt < >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ph...@apache.org> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote: >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > I've mentored a number of podlings over the >> years >> > >> and >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> this one if >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> very >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> well >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As noted my >> main >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> concern is >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>about >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > diversity - in particular "self-sustaining and >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> self-governing >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> communities". >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html# >> > community >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise statements from >> > the >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Apache >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>community >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > as >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> a >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is >> > following >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> "the apache >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>way" >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> quite >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well, so it's really the sustaining part for me. >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Ensuring that >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> community is >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > being built and the community as a whole is >> owning >> > >> the >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> process. >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Hope this helps, regards, >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Patrick >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew Purtell >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >><apurt...@apache.org >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > wrote: >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > For me the best test if a podling is ready for >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduation is >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>they >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> do >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> it >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic, I'd >> > >> encourage >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> you to >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>search >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > through >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > the incubator mailing list archives for >> examples >> > >> of >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> other >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>podlings >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > running >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > a graduation vote and submitting the result to >> > the >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> IPMC. Then, >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>do >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > it. >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to bring in >> more >> > >> RMs >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> in >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>response >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone is aware >> of >> > >> it. >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> didn't >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> think >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > that the incubator report might not be read >> > back. >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John D. Ament >> < >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > johndam...@apache.org> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > wrote: >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Patrick, >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I read it. I'm curious, did you or Andrew >> > share >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> your feedback >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> with >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Mnemonic directly? I've noticed that >> podlings >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> sometimes don't >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> see >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> input, and don't receive responses the way >> TLPs >> > >> do. >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> For the podling's information, we do also >> > >> maintain >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> a whimsy >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>page >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> of >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> all >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> approved board reports per project, Mnemonic >> > can >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> see that >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > information >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> here: >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/ >> > board/minutes/Mnemonic >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> When I see a podling receiving 5 +1's on a >> dev >> > >> list >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> release >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>vote, >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > that's a >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> great sign. >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> There probably is room for more on list >> > >> discussion, >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> and yes >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>the >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > committer >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I would be >> curious >> > to >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> see company >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> affiliations). >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I'll also point out that I sometimes ask >> these >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> questions to >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > podlings >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> to >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> them to start thinking about graduation, not >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> actually moving >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > forward >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> yet >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> due to $reasons. >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM Patrick Hunt < >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ph...@apache.org> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> wrote: >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Hi John, did you read my feedback on the >> most >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> recent podling >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> report? >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Do >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > you disagree? I don't believe this has >> > changed >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>significantly in >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > past >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > month/two. For example all releases have >> been >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> done by a >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>single >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> person. >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/ >> incubator/March2017 >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > As I've mentioned previously my only >> concerns >> > >> at >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> this point >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>are >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> around >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > diversity. >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Patrick >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Gang(Gary) >> > >> Wang < >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > ga...@apache.org >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote: >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Hi John and PPMCs >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> As John advised, our community and project >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic might >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>be >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> ready to >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> graduated, I'd like to start the following >> > >> votes >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> according >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>to >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> processes >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> of >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html with >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> your >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> mentoring >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> and guidance if no objection today >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - Community graduation vote >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - IPMC recommendation vote >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Mnemonic Project Incubation Status >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Very truly yours >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> +Gary >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM, >> Gang(Gary) >> > >> Wang >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> < >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> ga...@apache.org> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> wrote: >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Hi John >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thank you for starting this discussion. >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Yes, our community is growing and >> continue >> > >> to >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> attract >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>more >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> people >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > to >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> join >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > our community. Some industry users are >> > aware >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> of mnemonic >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>and >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > already >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > interested as i known. >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Mnemonic is able to deliver unique >> values >> > to >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> their >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>business >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > so I >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> think >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > that it is very important for us to get >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>graduated >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> in >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> time >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > if >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > qualified. >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > My 2 cents, looks nothing left for us to >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduate >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic, >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I'm >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > also >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > looking forward to propose our project >> as >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Apache TLP. >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thanks! >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Very truly yours >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Gary >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, John D. Ament < >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> johndam...@apache.org >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote: >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC, >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > After looking at your recent release, >> > your >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> current >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>growth >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > and >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > functioning PPMC, was wondering what was >> > >> left >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> for you >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>guys >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> graduate? >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > John >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > -- >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Best regards, >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > - Andy >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > If you are given a choice, you believe you >> have >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> acted freely. - >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> Raymond >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Teller (via Peter Watts) >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > >>
