Hi John, Mentors and PPMCs Looks no new issues crop up for a few days, and many contributors are positive and voted +1s for graduation, no negative from our community, so I think this discussion could be settled down today and proceed to collect votes from our community and IPMCs for graduation, please guide us if any missing, misunderstanding and suggestion, Thanks!
Very truly yours Gary On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> wrote: > Hi John, Mentors and PPMCs > > Looks we have resolved all the issues that you have pointed out for > graduation, meanwhile, there are more contributors +1 for our project's > graduation so, could we start the community graduation vote and IPMC > graduation vote according to the following chart extracted from > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community ? Thanks! > > [image: Inline image 1] > > Very truly yours > Gary > > On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:22 PM, Wen Tong <pures...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> +1 support for graduation. >> >> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 5:35 AM, Wei HE <hevei...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > +1 support for graduation. >> > >> > Wei HE >> > >> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> >> wrote: >> > >> >> Yes, I also totally agree this and we will try our best for the >> readiness >> >> for the graduation. >> >> >> >> For the suggestion that John advised, we have prepared the following >> >> comments for your review, Thanks! >> >> >> >> *CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that brought me to >> >> your source code. Other projects use hacking guides. Unless you're on >> >> gitbox, the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos.* >> >> >> >> The github link has been removed from CD20 and using >> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/develop/ as the link of website. >> we >> >> also create ticket MNEMONIC-355 (resolved) to remove Github link from >> >> navigator menu on website. >> >> >> >> *CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of this item, >> from >> >> my point of view. In your case, you're pointing to "centos:latest" >> which >> >> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.* >> >> >> >> Yes, we will fix it through Apache Jira MNEMONIC-353(reviewed) and >> >> MNEMONIC-356(WIP) >> >> >> >> *CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are from >> committers >> >> or from contributors. If I take >> >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60 >> >> <https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60> as an example, >> the >> >> commit message says nothing about provenance of the source code.* >> >> >> >> We have requested to revoke all stalled PRs, and all commit messages >> must >> >> contain Apache JIRA number and title. >> >> >> >> *LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect (the use of >> >> *most*)* >> >> >> >> Yes we will correct it with "The files in the project source repository >> >> have appropriate headers", The files under target/ that generated by >> mvn >> >> building process would be excluded and all other project files have >> been >> >> properly licensed and guarded by RAT plugin. >> >> >> >> *RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/ >> >> <http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/> but that doesn't include >> any >> >> download links. http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/ >> >> <http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/> does include >> download >> >> links to the proper release mirrors.* >> >> >> >> That has been corrected by replacing it with the link >> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/ >> >> >> >> *RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).* >> >> >> >> Yes, we started with the community vote for releasing and the result >> >> explicitly shows binding and non-binding votes. >> >> >> >> *RE30 - Again, not using mirror.* >> >> >> >> Looks no mirror link in this field. >> >> >> >> *RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute binary >> >> releases."* >> >> >> >> Yes it is and corrected >> >> >> >> *RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old artifacts.* >> >> >> >> Sorry I forgot it and corrected it by the Apache Jira ticket >> MNEMONIC-357 >> >> (resolved) as well as MNEMONIC-358 (resolved) >> >> >> >> *QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports. You may want to use >> >> linters, sonar, etc.* >> >> >> >> Yes, we will investigate this plugin and apply them to project later, >> as >> >> for now, the QU10 has been replaced with "YES. The project records all >> bugs >> >> in the Apache’s JIRA issue tracker. Developer also uses Eclipse or >> Intellij >> >> IDEA to improve their code quality." >> >> >> >> *QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security vulnerability >> >> reported. If you haven't had one reported, there's no way to confirm >> >> this.* >> >> >> >> The QU20 has been replaced with "YES. Security issues would be treated >> with >> >> the highest priority, computing service and memory service are >> separated >> >> from other modules and defined by interfaces, so security concerns >> could be >> >> largely mitigated by introduced this design at first place.", that this >> >> emphasize we consider the security aspect from design viewpoint as >> well. >> >> >> >> *QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for around 6 >> months.* >> >> >> >> We have asked owners to properly handle those tickets >> >> >> >> *CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any commentary or >> >> questions from the project's committers. Why is that?* >> >> >> >> They are stalled PRs, we have asked the owner to properly revoke them. >> >> >> >> *The full checklist as follows for you to add comments* >> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg7jLFp >> >> -ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing >> >> >> >> Very truly yours >> >> Gary >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 2:25 PM, John D. Ament <johndam...@apache.org> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > Huge +1 to that. >> >> > >> >> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 5:18 PM Henry Saputra < >> henry.sapu...@gmail.com> >> >> > wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > The "checklist" suppose to just provide guide for readiness our >> >> > > graduation. It was NOT mandatory checklist. >> >> > > >> >> > > This should be used primarily for self check to make sure we are >> ready >> >> > for >> >> > > graduation. >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > - Henry >> >> > > >> >> > > On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 7:50 PM, John D. Ament < >> johndam...@apache.org> >> >> > > wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > >> Hello, >> >> > >> >> >> > >> So first, I'll say its always great to see a podling aim to >> graduate. >> >> > Its >> >> > >> not up to me to measure whether the podling has been successful or >> >> not, >> >> > >> but >> >> > >> instead the IPMC as a whole. I can give you some feedback on the >> APMM >> >> > >> assessment, but I'll point out that I'm not a fan of this form and >> >> > >> completing this form is not a requirement for graduation. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> So please, when reviewing the below list, understand that >> completing >> >> > this >> >> > >> is not a requirement for graduation. Even then, podlings who >> think >> >> they >> >> > >> pass it may be missing things. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that brought >> me to >> >> > >> your >> >> > >> source code. Other projects use hacking guides. Unless you're on >> >> > gitbox, >> >> > >> the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of this >> item, >> >> > from >> >> > >> my point of view. In your case, you're pointing to >> "centos:latest" >> >> > which >> >> > >> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are from >> >> > committers >> >> > >> or from contributors. If I take >> >> > >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60 as an >> example, >> >> the >> >> > >> commit message says nothing about provenance of the source code. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect (the >> use of >> >> > >> *most*) >> >> > >> >> >> > >> RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/ but >> >> that >> >> > >> doesn't include any download links. >> >> > >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/ does include >> download >> >> > >> links >> >> > >> to the proper release mirrors. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC). >> >> > >> >> >> > >> RE30 - Again, not using mirror. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute binary >> >> > releases." >> >> > >> >> >> > >> RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old artifacts. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports. You may want to use >> >> > >> linters, >> >> > >> sonar, etc. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security >> vulnerability >> >> > >> reported. If you haven't had one reported, there's no way to >> confirm >> >> > >> this. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for around 6 >> months. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any commentary >> or >> >> > >> questions from the project's committers. Why is that? >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Regards, >> >> > >> >> >> > >> John >> >> > >> >> >> > >> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 3:00 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org >> > >> >> > wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > Hi John, Our Mentors and PPMCs >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > We have prepared Apache Maturity checklist for your evaluation, >> >> please >> >> > >> > guide us to graduate our project, thanks. >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > All comments and suggestions are welcome! >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > Cheers! >> >> > >> > Gary >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang < >> ga...@apache.org> >> >> > >> wrote: >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> Hi John >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> Fixed it, Thank you for reminding me >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> Very truly yours >> >> > >> >> Gary >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 12:39 PM, John D. Ament < >> >> > johndam...@apache.org >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >>> Please take a look at >> >> > >> >>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/mnemonic/ >> >> > >> >>> >> >> > >> >>> >> >> > >> >>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:55 PM Gang(Gary) Wang < >> ga...@apache.org >> >> > >> >> > >> >>> wrote: >> >> > >> >>> >> >> > >> >>>> Hi John >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> > >> >>>> This issue has been fixed please refresh your browser and >> then >> >> > review >> >> > >> >>>> it, Thanks! >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> > >> >>>> Very truly yours >> >> > >> >>>> Gary >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> > >> >>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang < >> >> > ga...@apache.org> >> >> > >> >>>> wrote: >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> > >> >>>>> Hi John >> >> > >> >>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>> I didn't realize that and thank you very much for pointing >> it >> >> out, >> >> > >> we >> >> > >> >>>>> will correct this according to your guidance. >> >> > >> >>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>> Thanks! >> >> > >> >>>>> Very truly yours >> >> > >> >>>>> Gary >> >> > >> >>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:54 AM, John D. Ament < >> >> > >> johndam...@apache.org> >> >> > >> >>>>> wrote: >> >> > >> >>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>>> Thanks, but you're still out of compliance. >> >> > >> >>>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>>> - You're linking directly to your un-mirrored artifacts, >> but >> >> you >> >> > >> >>>>>> should be linking to your mirrored artifacts. >> >> > >> >>>>>> - You have not cleaned up your old releases, your old >> releases >> >> > >> should >> >> > >> >>>>>> be archived. >> >> > >> >>>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>>> Now here's the catch - we require mirroring but I can't >> find >> >> > >> anything >> >> > >> >>>>>> saying what the mirroring URL is. The format is going to >> be >> >> > >> >>>>>> http://apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/mnemonic and >> you'll >> >> > >> want >> >> > >> >>>>>> to grab your specific version from there. >> >> > >> >>>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>>> John >> >> > >> >>>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:31 PM Gang(Gary) Wang < >> >> > ga...@apache.org> >> >> > >> >>>>>> wrote: >> >> > >> >>>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>>>> Hi John, >> >> > >> >>>>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>>>> The Download menu item has been added to the navigator in >> home >> >> > >> page, >> >> > >> >>>>>>> Please refresh your browser to review it, Thank you very >> much >> >> > for >> >> > >> the >> >> > >> >>>>>>> suggestion. >> >> > >> >>>>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>>>> Very truly yours >> >> > >> >>>>>>> Gary >> >> > >> >>>>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang < >> >> > >> ga...@apache.org> >> >> > >> >>>>>>> wrote: >> >> > >> >>>>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Hi John, >> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>> You can download all versions of the package from Apache >> >> > >> >>>>>>>> distribution site that is linked from the following web >> page >> >> > >> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases >> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Also, we can download them from Apache Mirrored Github >> page >> >> > >> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases >> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>> We could add another menu item on top of home page >> dedicated >> >> > for >> >> > >> >>>>>>>> downloading the latest one. >> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Thanks! >> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Very truly yours >> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Gary >> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:40 PM, John D. Ament < >> >> > >> >>>>>>>> johndam...@apache.org> wrote: >> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> I'm looking at your website. How do I download >> Mnemonic? >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> John >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:37 PM Gary Wong < >> >> qich...@gmail.com> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Uma >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, We are going to send out this checklist for PPMC >> >> review, >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much for the guidance. >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Very truly yours >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Gary >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Gangumalla, Uma < >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> uma.ganguma...@intel.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for >> graduation. >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> What is the mentors call on this? >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> I remember many other projects do Maturity model >> checklist >> >> > to >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> check where >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet, so >> that >> >> will >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> help to >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> assess better? >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Uma >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George" < >> jo...@apache.org> >> >> > >> wrote: >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >It seems that we are ready to be a top level project >> . >> >> We >> >> > >> have >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> a stable >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >release and we work well as a apache community under >> the >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> guidance of our >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >mentors. Any thoughts? >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang < >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ga...@apache.org> wrote: >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Dear John and Patrick, >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> construction of >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Website recently according to your feedback, this >> >> Apache >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> server hosted >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> website will be kept up to date and maintained by >> >> > dedicated >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> community >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> members. we also have redirected the visitors from >> >> > Github >> >> > >> to >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> our Apache >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> server hosted website by providing a forward link >> in >> >> > >> project >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> README.md >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> file. Please review it as follows. >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/ >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected view >> of >> >> this >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> website, >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>please >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito mode. >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Very truly yours. >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Gary >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament < >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> johndam...@apache.org> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > Hi patrick, >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I recently raised an issue with the website to >> the >> >> > >> team. I >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> personally >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > would like to see that fixed before a graduation. >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Specifically saying >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> that >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > you need to learn it from github. >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > John >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt < >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ph...@apache.org> wrote: >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Given the recent work to bring on additional >> RMs >> >> (and >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> increase >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> community >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > involvement in general) and clearly document >> >> release >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> procedures I >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>feel >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > that >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > my previous concerns have been largely >> addressed. >> >> If >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> there is >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>interest >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> in >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > the community I would now be in favor, but up >> to >> >> you >> >> > - >> >> > >> do >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> you feel >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> you're >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > ready to graduate at this point? >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Regards, >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Patrick >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti >> Dutta < >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ddu...@apache.org> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > wrote: >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On the diversity issue, we are trying to solve >> >> that >> >> > >> with >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> new >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> committers >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> from different organizations. We have had >> >> > >> contributions >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> from other >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> companies like Cisco recently. >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> This space is about to heat up soon and we >> will >> >> see >> >> > >> more >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>committers. >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> cheers >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> debo >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick Hunt < >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ph...@apache.org> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > I've mentored a number of podlings over the >> >> years >> >> > >> and >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> this one if >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> very >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> well >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As noted my >> >> main >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> concern is >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>about >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > diversity - in particular "self-sustaining >> and >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> self-governing >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> communities". >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html# >> >> > community >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise statements >> from >> >> > the >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Apache >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>community >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > as >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> a >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is >> >> > following >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> "the apache >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>way" >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> quite >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well, so it's really the sustaining part >> for me. >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Ensuring that >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> community is >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > being built and the community as a whole is >> >> owning >> >> > >> the >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> process. >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Hope this helps, regards, >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Patrick >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew >> Purtell >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >><apurt...@apache.org >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > wrote: >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > For me the best test if a podling is >> ready for >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduation is >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>they >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> do >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> it >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic, I'd >> >> > >> encourage >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> you to >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>search >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > through >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > the incubator mailing list archives for >> >> examples >> >> > >> of >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> other >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>podlings >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > running >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > a graduation vote and submitting the >> result to >> >> > the >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> IPMC. Then, >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>do >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > it. >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to bring >> in >> >> more >> >> > >> RMs >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> in >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>response >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone is >> aware >> >> of >> >> > >> it. >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> didn't >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> think >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > that the incubator report might not be >> read >> >> > back. >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John D. >> Ament >> >> < >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > johndam...@apache.org> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > wrote: >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Patrick, >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I read it. I'm curious, did you or >> Andrew >> >> > share >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> your feedback >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> with >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Mnemonic directly? I've noticed that >> >> podlings >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> sometimes don't >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> see >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> input, and don't receive responses the >> way >> >> TLPs >> >> > >> do. >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> For the podling's information, we do also >> >> > >> maintain >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> a whimsy >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>page >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> of >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> all >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> approved board reports per project, >> Mnemonic >> >> > can >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> see that >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > information >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> here: >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/ >> >> > board/minutes/Mnemonic >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> When I see a podling receiving 5 +1's on >> a >> >> dev >> >> > >> list >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> release >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>vote, >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > that's a >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> great sign. >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> There probably is room for more on list >> >> > >> discussion, >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> and yes >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>the >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > committer >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I would be >> >> curious >> >> > to >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> see company >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> affiliations). >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I'll also point out that I sometimes ask >> >> these >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> questions to >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > podlings >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> to >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> them to start thinking about graduation, >> not >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> actually moving >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > forward >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> yet >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> due to $reasons. >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM Patrick >> Hunt < >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ph...@apache.org> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> wrote: >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Hi John, did you read my feedback on >> the >> >> most >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> recent podling >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> report? >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Do >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > you disagree? I don't believe this has >> >> > changed >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>significantly in >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > past >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > month/two. For example all releases >> have >> >> been >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> done by a >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>single >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> person. >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/ >> >> incubator/March2017 >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > As I've mentioned previously my only >> >> concerns >> >> > >> at >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> this point >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>are >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> around >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > diversity. >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Patrick >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM, >> Gang(Gary) >> >> > >> Wang < >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > ga...@apache.org >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote: >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Hi John and PPMCs >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> As John advised, our community and >> project >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic might >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>be >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> ready to >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> graduated, I'd like to start the >> following >> >> > >> votes >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> according >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>to >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> processes >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> of >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html >> with >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> your >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> mentoring >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> and guidance if no objection today >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - Community graduation vote >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - IPMC recommendation vote >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Mnemonic Project Incubation Status >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Very truly yours >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> +Gary >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM, >> >> Gang(Gary) >> >> > >> Wang >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> < >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> ga...@apache.org> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Hi John >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thank you for starting this >> discussion. >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Yes, our community is growing and >> >> continue >> >> > >> to >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> attract >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>more >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> people >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > to >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> join >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > our community. Some industry users >> are >> >> > aware >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> of mnemonic >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>and >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > already >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > interested as i known. >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Mnemonic is able to deliver unique >> >> values >> >> > to >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> their >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>business >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > so I >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> think >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > that it is very important for us to >> get >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>graduated >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> in >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> time >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > if >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > qualified. >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > My 2 cents, looks nothing left for >> us to >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduate >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic, >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I'm >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > also >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > looking forward to propose our >> project >> >> as >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Apache TLP. >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thanks! >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Very truly yours >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Gary >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, John D. >> Ament < >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> johndam...@apache.org >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote: >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC, >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > After looking at your recent >> release, >> >> > your >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> current >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>growth >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > and >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > functioning PPMC, was wondering >> what was >> >> > >> left >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> for you >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>guys >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> graduate? >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > John >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > -- >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Best regards, >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > - Andy >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > If you are given a choice, you believe you >> >> have >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> acted freely. - >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> Raymond >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Teller (via Peter Watts) >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>>>> >> >> > >> >>>>> >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >> > >
