I’m not sure that this is the way this process works. I can recall from the
back of my mind that unless somebody opts out (you’re requesting an
opt-in), they will graduate from a PPMC to a PMC.

Would you be so kind to check again to make sure we’re following the right
process?

-Marco

On Fri 22. Apr 2022 at 01:08, Joe Evans <joseph.ev...@gmail.com> wrote:

> +CC'ing all PPMC to ensure visibility
>
> Hi MXNet Community,
>
> Just to follow-up on this discussion, I am currently working on drafting a
> resolution to be considered by the Apache board for graduating the MXNet
> project. I believe typically all PPMC are appointed to be initial members
> of the graduated top-level project. We have a large number (50) of PPMC and
> I believe not all PPMC are still active and may have no interest in being a
> member of the newly graduated project. I'd like to request all PPMC that
> would like to be included as an initial member in the resolution to please
> respond on this thread within the next 72 hours so we can finalize the
> resolution.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 3:27 PM Marco de Abreu <marco.g.ab...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> +1
>>
>> Thanks for pushing our graduation and I agree that Sheng would be a great
>> chair!
>>
>> -Marco
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 23:03 Joe Evans <joseph.ev...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > BCC'ing all mentors
>> >
>> > Hi MXNet Community,
>> >
>> > Apache MXNet (incubating) has been an incubating project since January,
>> > 2017[1]. Since then, the project has matured and adopted the Apache
>> > Software Foundation’s principles and philosophy around building and
>> > maintaining open source software. There is a thriving community of
>> > developers and users from all over the world that regularly contribute
>> to
>> > the project.
>> >
>> > Here is a brief overview of the progress of the Apache MXNet
>> (incubating)
>> > project and community since entering the incubator:
>> >
>> > Community
>> >
>> >    -
>> >
>> >    37 new PPMC members were added, bringing the total number of PPMC
>> >    members to 50
>> >    -
>> >
>> >    55 new committers were added (which include new PPMC members),
>> bringing
>> >    the total number of committers to 86
>> >    -
>> >
>> >    The total number of contributors is now 870 and growing.
>> >    -
>> >
>> >    The dev@mxnet mailing list[2] currently has X subscribers, and all
>> > major
>> >    project discussions happen there.
>> >
>> > Project
>> >
>> >    -
>> >
>> >    18 releases[3] by 13 different release managers. All compliance
>> issues
>> >    have been resolved with the 1.9.0 and 2.0.beta releases.
>> >    -
>> >
>> >    MXNet website[4] is now compliant with Apache Project Website
>> >    requirements[5]
>> >    -
>> >
>> >    MXNet has completed the project maturity self assessment[6]
>> >
>> > Concerns
>> >
>> > Although I think most of the issues noted below have been resolved, I
>> did
>> > want to bring up a few problems that have been identified with the
>> project
>> > in the past.
>> >
>> > Licensing and Branding Issues
>> >
>> > The IPMC brought up some release and branding issues and filed a JIRA
>> > ticket[7] back in June, 2020. The community addressed the concerns but
>> the
>> > ticket remains open.
>> >
>> > We also went through an extensive license audit throughout the 1.9.0
>> > release[8][9], switch from using a DISCLAIMER-WIP to DISCLAIMER and
>> added
>> > automated license checking tools to prevent future licensing issues from
>> > being introduced.  We are confident we now comply with ASF requirements
>> and
>> > have the tools in-place to stay compliant.
>> >
>> > Distribution Rights and IP Clearance
>> >
>> > Our project status page[1] does not have dates under the Copyright and
>> > Verify Distribution Rights sections. Based on the ticket[10] when the
>> > source code was initially imported, an SGA was not required since MXNet
>> > wasn’t developed by a commercial entity. Since the code was already
>> Apache
>> > 2.0 licensed, there was not a formal IP Clearance process completed.
>> Based
>> > on the extensive license audit completed for the 1.9.0 release, I
>> believe
>> > we can use the date when the release passed the general@incubator vote
>> > when
>> > the Distribution Rights were verified. Unless there are objections, I
>> will
>> > get these dates set on the status page after this discussion has
>> completed.
>> >
>> > Chair for Project
>> >
>> > In part of our draft resolution that we will create to be considered by
>> the
>> > Apache Board, we must appoint a Chair to represent the project. Based on
>> > his long project history and continued involvement, I would like to
>> > nominate Sheng Zha as the project Chair.
>> >
>> >
>> > This discussion will be open for at least 72 hours.
>> >
>> > References:
>> > [1] https://incubator.apache.org/projects/mxnet.html
>> > [2] lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@mxnet.apache.org
>> > [3] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/releases
>> > [4] https://mxnet.apache.org/
>> > [5] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs
>> > [6]
>> >
>> >
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Apache+Maturity+Model+Assessment+for+MXNet
>> > [7] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253
>> > [8] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20475
>> > [9] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20616
>> > [10] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-13800
>> >
>>
>

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