On the same boat here. - Joe: Do you mind sharing the Apache guideline we follow to enforce:
"I'd like to request all PPMC that would like to be included as an initial member in the resolution to please respond on this thread within the next 72 hours so we can finalize the resolution." Thanks, Qing ________________________________ From: Chris Olivier <cjolivie...@apache.org> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2022 16:41 To: Marco de Abreu <marcoab...@apache.org> Cc: * Anirudh Subramanian <anirudh2...@apache.org>; * Bing Xu <bin...@apache.org>; * Bob Paulin <b...@apache.org>; * Carin Meier <cme...@apache.org>; * Chiyuan Zhang <plus...@apache.org>; * Dick Carter <dickjc...@apache.org>; * Eric Xie <j...@apache.org>; * Furkan Kamaci <kam...@apache.org>; * Haibin Lin <hai...@apache.org>; * Henri Yandell <bay...@apache.org>; * Hongliang Liu <h...@apache.org>; * Indhu Bharathi <ind...@apache.org>; * Jackie Wu <w...@apache.org>; * Jason Dai <jason...@apache.org>; * Jian Zhang <jianzhang...@apache.org>; * Joe Spisak <jspi...@apache.org>; * Jun Wu <remini...@apache.org>; * Leonard Lausen <lau...@apache.org>; * Liang Depeng <ldp...@apache.org>; * Ly Nguyen <l...@apache.org>; * Madan Jampani <mad...@apache.org>; * Markus Weimer <wei...@apache.org>; * Mu Li <m...@apache.org>; * Nan Zhu <coding...@apache.org>; * Naveen Swamy <nsw...@apache.org>; * Przemysław Trędak <ptre...@apache.org>; * Qiang Kou <q...@apache.org>; * Qing Lan <lank...@apache.org>; * Sandeep Krishnamurthy <s...@apache.org>; * Sergey Kolychev <sergeykolyc...@apache.org>; * Sheng Zha <zhash...@apache.org>; * Shiwen Hu <yajiedes...@apache.org>; * Tao Lv <ta...@apache.org>; * Terry Chen <terryc...@apache.org>; * Thomas Delteil <thomasdelt...@apache.org>; * Tianqi Chen <tqc...@apache.org>; * Tong He <t...@apache.org>; * Tsuyoshi Ozawa <oz...@apache.org>; * Xingjian Shi <sxjscie...@apache.org>; * YiZhi Liu <liuyi...@apache.org>; * Yifeng Geng <gengyif...@apache.org>; * Yu Zhang <yzhan...@apache.org>; * Yuan Tang <terrytangy...@apache.org>; * Yutian Li <hot...@apache.org>; * Zhi Zhang <zhresh...@apache.org>; * Zihao Zheng <zihaolu...@apache.org>; * Ziheng Jiang <zih...@apache.org>; * Ziyue Huang <zi...@apache.org>; Joe Evans <joseph.ev...@gmail.com>; dev@mxnet.apache.org <dev@mxnet.apache.org> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache MXNet (Incubating) as a TLP responding although I am also suspicious of the process On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 4:11 PM Marco de Abreu <marcoab...@apache.org<mailto:marcoab...@apache.org>> wrote: I’m not sure that this is the way this process works. I can recall from the back of my mind that unless somebody opts out (you’re requesting an opt-in), they will graduate from a PPMC to a PMC. Would you be so kind to check again to make sure we’re following the right process? -Marco On Fri 22. Apr 2022 at 01:08, Joe Evans <joseph.ev...@gmail.com<mailto:joseph.ev...@gmail.com>> wrote: +CC'ing all PPMC to ensure visibility Hi MXNet Community, Just to follow-up on this discussion, I am currently working on drafting a resolution to be considered by the Apache board for graduating the MXNet project. I believe typically all PPMC are appointed to be initial members of the graduated top-level project. We have a large number (50) of PPMC and I believe not all PPMC are still active and may have no interest in being a member of the newly graduated project. I'd like to request all PPMC that would like to be included as an initial member in the resolution to please respond on this thread within the next 72 hours so we can finalize the resolution. On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 3:27 PM Marco de Abreu <marco.g.ab...@gmail.com<mailto:marco.g.ab...@gmail.com>> wrote: +1 Thanks for pushing our graduation and I agree that Sheng would be a great chair! -Marco On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 23:03 Joe Evans <joseph.ev...@gmail.com<mailto:joseph.ev...@gmail.com>> wrote: > BCC'ing all mentors > > Hi MXNet Community, > > Apache MXNet (incubating) has been an incubating project since January, > 2017[1]. Since then, the project has matured and adopted the Apache > Software Foundation’s principles and philosophy around building and > maintaining open source software. There is a thriving community of > developers and users from all over the world that regularly contribute to > the project. > > Here is a brief overview of the progress of the Apache MXNet (incubating) > project and community since entering the incubator: > > Community > > - > > 37 new PPMC members were added, bringing the total number of PPMC > members to 50 > - > > 55 new committers were added (which include new PPMC members), bringing > the total number of committers to 86 > - > > The total number of contributors is now 870 and growing. > - > > The dev@mxnet mailing list[2] currently has X subscribers, and all > major > project discussions happen there. > > Project > > - > > 18 releases[3] by 13 different release managers. All compliance issues > have been resolved with the 1.9.0 and 2.0.beta releases. > - > > MXNet website[4] is now compliant with Apache Project Website > requirements[5] > - > > MXNet has completed the project maturity self assessment[6] > > Concerns > > Although I think most of the issues noted below have been resolved, I did > want to bring up a few problems that have been identified with the project > in the past. > > Licensing and Branding Issues > > The IPMC brought up some release and branding issues and filed a JIRA > ticket[7] back in June, 2020. The community addressed the concerns but the > ticket remains open. > > We also went through an extensive license audit throughout the 1.9.0 > release[8][9], switch from using a DISCLAIMER-WIP to DISCLAIMER and added > automated license checking tools to prevent future licensing issues from > being introduced. We are confident we now comply with ASF requirements and > have the tools in-place to stay compliant. > > Distribution Rights and IP Clearance > > Our project status page[1] does not have dates under the Copyright and > Verify Distribution Rights sections. Based on the ticket[10] when the > source code was initially imported, an SGA was not required since MXNet > wasn’t developed by a commercial entity. Since the code was already Apache > 2.0 licensed, there was not a formal IP Clearance process completed. Based > on the extensive license audit completed for the 1.9.0 release, I believe > we can use the date when the release passed the general@incubator vote > when > the Distribution Rights were verified. Unless there are objections, I will > get these dates set on the status page after this discussion has completed. > > Chair for Project > > In part of our draft resolution that we will create to be considered by the > Apache Board, we must appoint a Chair to represent the project. Based on > his long project history and continued involvement, I would like to > nominate Sheng Zha as the project Chair. > > > This discussion will be open for at least 72 hours. > > References: > [1] > https://incubator.apache.org/projects/mxnet.html<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincubator.apache.org%2Fprojects%2Fmxnet.html&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=z%2Fg%2FdXBjM5UBhCVlwMWS%2BxU9l35og2%2FBsrtANzrAqiU%3D&reserved=0> > [2] > lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@mxnet.apache.org<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.apache.org%2Flist.html%3Fdev%40mxnet.apache.org&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=g6aPFr3QJGUnM%2BH%2BHJSfw%2FwfuvGXi68O%2FgU1Yf1HQTw%3D&reserved=0> > [3] > https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/releases<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Fincubator-mxnet%2Freleases&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=kJCyFbwQdRPBLDQDsWZsH0keXXcAzsTu4f0jbye4E2w%3D&reserved=0> > [4] > https://mxnet.apache.org/<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmxnet.apache.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=V41ASlhxrS4CT4GZdqbaziwTv78yjBGJi5%2F3nKhZrMg%3D&reserved=0> > [5] > https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.apache.org%2Ffoundation%2Fmarks%2Fpmcs&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=HilfPUO4%2FZmEQ5Xypd%2BJc7DiIq9tSy%2Fi%2FOMb%2FZt%2BvWg%3D&reserved=0> > [6] > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Apache+Maturity+Model+Assessment+for+MXNet<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcwiki.apache.org%2Fconfluence%2Fdisplay%2FMXNET%2FApache%2BMaturity%2BModel%2BAssessment%2Bfor%2BMXNet&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=WZ3uYwZSB%2BDXL351C9DlNtMaTrycmtb4bJvkv8cxL%2B8%3D&reserved=0> > [7] > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fissues.apache.org%2Fjira%2Fbrowse%2FINCUBATOR-253&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=935gKBcfDUOVsmJg7kMd%2FQmkOJCGkS2ly7DqrLkJ610%3D&reserved=0> > [8] > https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20475<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Fincubator-mxnet%2Fissues%2F20475&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=bgJEAHMoM7eNpPkvZld9L63LdtWPGSagojctbaZ36ZY%3D&reserved=0> > [9] > https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20616<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Fincubator-mxnet%2Fissues%2F20616&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=bK6ZYS4a1ek53y%2BcTkCyGCDJLmAQIL8ScRXHm1givfU%3D&reserved=0> > [10] > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-13800<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fissues.apache.org%2Fjira%2Fbrowse%2FINFRA-13800&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2Bo%2FJrTRgcRtdUHvqbAiOwz8g9QD4x0G0tYba034vbWw%3D&reserved=0> >
