I agree that after over 5 years of continuous improvement as an incubator project, Apache MXNet (incubating) is ready for graduation. I believe Sheng Zha would be an excellent project Chair.
I think the PMC can be formed from the PPMC with an opt-out. However, in an attempt to avoid adding those who have no interest, perhaps we can actively ask each PPMC member if they would like to be included. If a member does not reply to an email request regarding opt-out preference, then the member is included in the PPMC. On 2022/04/22 20:49:26 Xingjian SHI wrote: > +1 on opt-out > > Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> > ________________________________ > From: Joe Evans <joseph.ev...@gmail.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2022 4:58:14 PM > To: lanking...@live.com <lanking...@live.com> > Cc: Chris Olivier <cjolivie...@apache.org>; Marco de Abreu > <marcoab...@apache.org>; * Anirudh Subramanian <anirudh2...@apache.org>; * > Bing Xu <bin...@apache.org>; * Bob Paulin <b...@apache.org>; * Carin Meier > <cme...@apache.org>; * Chiyuan Zhang <plus...@apache.org>; * Dick Carter > <dickjc...@apache.org>; * Eric Xie <j...@apache.org>; * Furkan Kamaci > <kam...@apache.org>; * Haibin Lin <hai...@apache.org>; * Henri Yandell > <bay...@apache.org>; * Hongliang Liu <h...@apache.org>; * Indhu Bharathi > <ind...@apache.org>; * Jackie Wu <w...@apache.org>; * Jason Dai > <jason...@apache.org>; * Jian Zhang <jianzhang...@apache.org>; * Joe Spisak > <jspi...@apache.org>; * Jun Wu <remini...@apache.org>; * Leonard Lausen > <lau...@apache.org>; * Liang Depeng <ldp...@apache.org>; * Ly Nguyen > <l...@apache.org>; * Madan Jampani <mad...@apache.org>; * Markus Weimer > <wei...@apache.org>; * Mu Li <m...@apache.org>; * Nan Zhu > <coding...@apache.org>; * Naveen Swamy <nsw...@apache.org>; * Przemysław > Trędak <ptre...@apache.org>; * Qiang Kou <q...@apache.org>; * Qing Lan > <lank...@apache.org>; * Sandeep Krishnamurthy <s...@apache.org>; * Sergey > Kolychev <sergeykolyc...@apache.org>; * Sheng Zha <zhash...@apache.org>; * > Shiwen Hu <yajiedes...@apache.org>; * Tao Lv <ta...@apache.org>; * Terry Chen > <terryc...@apache.org>; * Thomas Delteil <thomasdelt...@apache.org>; * Tianqi > Chen <tqc...@apache.org>; * Tong He <t...@apache.org>; * Tsuyoshi Ozawa > <oz...@apache.org>; * Xingjian Shi <sxjscie...@apache.org>; * YiZhi Liu > <liuyi...@apache.org>; * Yifeng Geng <gengyif...@apache.org>; * Yu Zhang > <yzhan...@apache.org>; * Yuan Tang <terrytangy...@apache.org>; * Yutian Li > <hot...@apache.org>; * Zhi Zhang <zhresh...@apache.org>; * Zihao Zheng > <zihaolu...@apache.org>; * Ziheng Jiang <zih...@apache.org>; * Ziyue Huang > <zi...@apache.org>; dev@mxnet.apache.org <dev@mxnet.apache.org> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache MXNet (Incubating) as a TLP > > Hi all, > > Thanks for the responses and concerns. I see that most would rather have an > opt-out process and be included as an initial member by default. I will post > the proposed resolution in the Github issue[1] that includes all PPMC by > default. If anyone would like to opt-out of being appointed as an initial > member, please discuss here or on the issue. Looking forward to having a > community vote soon and having all your support as PPMC. :) > > Regards, > Joe > > references: > [1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20984 > > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 4:50 PM > <lanking...@live.com<mailto:lanking...@live.com>> wrote: > On the same boat here. > > - Joe: Do you mind sharing the Apache guideline we follow to enforce: > > "I'd like to request all PPMC that would like to be included as an initial > member in the resolution to please respond on this thread within the next 72 > hours so we can finalize the resolution." > > Thanks, > Qing > > ________________________________ > From: Chris Olivier <cjolivie...@apache.org<mailto:cjolivie...@apache.org>> > Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2022 16:41 > To: Marco de Abreu <marcoab...@apache.org<mailto:marcoab...@apache.org>> > Cc: * Anirudh Subramanian > <anirudh2...@apache.org<mailto:anirudh2...@apache.org>>; * Bing Xu > <bin...@apache.org<mailto:bin...@apache.org>>; * Bob Paulin > <b...@apache.org<mailto:b...@apache.org>>; * Carin Meier > <cme...@apache.org<mailto:cme...@apache.org>>; * Chiyuan Zhang > <plus...@apache.org<mailto:plus...@apache.org>>; * Dick Carter > <dickjc...@apache.org<mailto:dickjc...@apache.org>>; * Eric Xie > <j...@apache.org<mailto:j...@apache.org>>; * Furkan Kamaci > <kam...@apache.org<mailto:kam...@apache.org>>; * Haibin Lin > <hai...@apache.org<mailto:hai...@apache.org>>; * Henri Yandell > <bay...@apache.org<mailto:bay...@apache.org>>; * Hongliang Liu > <h...@apache.org<mailto:h...@apache.org>>; * Indhu Bharathi > <ind...@apache.org<mailto:ind...@apache.org>>; * Jackie Wu > <w...@apache.org<mailto:w...@apache.org>>; * Jason Dai > <jason...@apache.org<mailto:jason...@apache.org>>; * Jian Zhang > <jianzhang...@apache.org<mailto:jianzhang...@apache.org>>; * Joe Spisak > <jspi...@apache.org<mailto:jspi...@apache.org>>; * Jun Wu > <remini...@apache.org<mailto:remini...@apache.org>>; * Leonard Lausen > <lau...@apache.org<mailto:lau...@apache.org>>; * Liang Depeng > <ldp...@apache.org<mailto:ldp...@apache.org>>; * Ly Nguyen > <l...@apache.org<mailto:l...@apache.org>>; * Madan Jampani > <mad...@apache.org<mailto:mad...@apache.org>>; * Markus Weimer > <wei...@apache.org<mailto:wei...@apache.org>>; * Mu Li > <m...@apache.org<mailto:m...@apache.org>>; * Nan Zhu > <coding...@apache.org<mailto:coding...@apache.org>>; * Naveen Swamy > <nsw...@apache.org<mailto:nsw...@apache.org>>; * Przemysław Trędak > <ptre...@apache.org<mailto:ptre...@apache.org>>; * Qiang Kou > <q...@apache.org<mailto:q...@apache.org>>; * Qing Lan > <lank...@apache.org<mailto:lank...@apache.org>>; * Sandeep Krishnamurthy > <s...@apache.org<mailto:s...@apache.org>>; * Sergey Kolychev > <sergeykolyc...@apache.org<mailto:sergeykolyc...@apache.org>>; * Sheng Zha > <zhash...@apache.org<mailto:zhash...@apache.org>>; * Shiwen Hu > <yajiedes...@apache.org<mailto:yajiedes...@apache.org>>; * Tao Lv > <ta...@apache.org<mailto:ta...@apache.org>>; * Terry Chen > <terryc...@apache.org<mailto:terryc...@apache.org>>; * Thomas Delteil > <thomasdelt...@apache.org<mailto:thomasdelt...@apache.org>>; * Tianqi Chen > <tqc...@apache.org<mailto:tqc...@apache.org>>; * Tong He > <t...@apache.org<mailto:t...@apache.org>>; * Tsuyoshi Ozawa > <oz...@apache.org<mailto:oz...@apache.org>>; * Xingjian Shi > <sxjscie...@apache.org<mailto:sxjscie...@apache.org>>; * YiZhi Liu > <liuyi...@apache.org<mailto:liuyi...@apache.org>>; * Yifeng Geng > <gengyif...@apache.org<mailto:gengyif...@apache.org>>; * Yu Zhang > <yzhan...@apache.org<mailto:yzhan...@apache.org>>; * Yuan Tang > <terrytangy...@apache.org<mailto:terrytangy...@apache.org>>; * Yutian Li > <hot...@apache.org<mailto:hot...@apache.org>>; * Zhi Zhang > <zhresh...@apache.org<mailto:zhresh...@apache.org>>; * Zihao Zheng > <zihaolu...@apache.org<mailto:zihaolu...@apache.org>>; * Ziheng Jiang > <zih...@apache.org<mailto:zih...@apache.org>>; * Ziyue Huang > <zi...@apache.org<mailto:zi...@apache.org>>; Joe Evans > <joseph.ev...@gmail.com<mailto:joseph.ev...@gmail.com>>; > dev@mxnet.apache.org<mailto:dev@mxnet.apache.org> > <dev@mxnet.apache.org<mailto:dev@mxnet.apache.org>> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache MXNet (Incubating) as a TLP > > responding although I am also suspicious of the process > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 4:11 PM Marco de Abreu > <marcoab...@apache.org<mailto:marcoab...@apache.org>> wrote: > I’m not sure that this is the way this process works. I can recall from the > back of my mind that unless somebody opts out (you’re requesting an opt-in), > they will graduate from a PPMC to a PMC. > > Would you be so kind to check again to make sure we’re following the right > process? > > -Marco > > On Fri 22. Apr 2022 at 01:08, Joe Evans > <joseph.ev...@gmail.com<mailto:joseph.ev...@gmail.com>> wrote: > +CC'ing all PPMC to ensure visibility > > Hi MXNet Community, > > Just to follow-up on this discussion, I am currently working on drafting a > resolution to be considered by the Apache board for graduating the MXNet > project. I believe typically all PPMC are appointed to be initial members of > the graduated top-level project. We have a large number (50) of PPMC and I > believe not all PPMC are still active and may have no interest in being a > member of the newly graduated project. I'd like to request all PPMC that > would like to be included as an initial member in the resolution to please > respond on this thread within the next 72 hours so we can finalize the > resolution. > > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 3:27 PM Marco de Abreu > <marco.g.ab...@gmail.com<mailto:marco.g.ab...@gmail.com>> wrote: > +1 > > Thanks for pushing our graduation and I agree that Sheng would be a great > chair! > > -Marco > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 23:03 Joe Evans > <joseph.ev...@gmail.com<mailto:joseph.ev...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > BCC'ing all mentors > > > > Hi MXNet Community, > > > > Apache MXNet (incubating) has been an incubating project since January, > > 2017[1]. Since then, the project has matured and adopted the Apache > > Software Foundation’s principles and philosophy around building and > > maintaining open source software. There is a thriving community of > > developers and users from all over the world that regularly contribute to > > the project. > > > > Here is a brief overview of the progress of the Apache MXNet (incubating) > > project and community since entering the incubator: > > > > Community > > > > - > > > > 37 new PPMC members were added, bringing the total number of PPMC > > members to 50 > > - > > > > 55 new committers were added (which include new PPMC members), bringing > > the total number of committers to 86 > > - > > > > The total number of contributors is now 870 and growing. > > - > > > > The dev@mxnet mailing list[2] currently has X subscribers, and all > > major > > project discussions happen there. > > > > Project > > > > - > > > > 18 releases[3] by 13 different release managers. All compliance issues > > have been resolved with the 1.9.0 and 2.0.beta releases. > > - > > > > MXNet website[4] is now compliant with Apache Project Website > > requirements[5] > > - > > > > MXNet has completed the project maturity self assessment[6] > > > > Concerns > > > > Although I think most of the issues noted below have been resolved, I did > > want to bring up a few problems that have been identified with the project > > in the past. > > > > Licensing and Branding Issues > > > > The IPMC brought up some release and branding issues and filed a JIRA > > ticket[7] back in June, 2020. The community addressed the concerns but the > > ticket remains open. > > > > We also went through an extensive license audit throughout the 1.9.0 > > release[8][9], switch from using a DISCLAIMER-WIP to DISCLAIMER and added > > automated license checking tools to prevent future licensing issues from > > being introduced. We are confident we now comply with ASF requirements and > > have the tools in-place to stay compliant. > > > > Distribution Rights and IP Clearance > > > > Our project status page[1] does not have dates under the Copyright and > > Verify Distribution Rights sections. Based on the ticket[10] when the > > source code was initially imported, an SGA was not required since MXNet > > wasn’t developed by a commercial entity. Since the code was already Apache > > 2.0 licensed, there was not a formal IP Clearance process completed. Based > > on the extensive license audit completed for the 1.9.0 release, I believe > > we can use the date when the release passed the general@incubator vote > > when > > the Distribution Rights were verified. Unless there are objections, I will > > get these dates set on the status page after this discussion has completed. > > > > Chair for Project > > > > In part of our draft resolution that we will create to be considered by the > > Apache Board, we must appoint a Chair to represent the project. Based on > > his long project history and continued involvement, I would like to > > nominate Sheng Zha as the project Chair. > > > > > > This discussion will be open for at least 72 hours. > > > > References: > > [1] > > https://incubator.apache.org/projects/mxnet.html<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincubator.apache.org%2Fprojects%2Fmxnet.html&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=z%2Fg%2FdXBjM5UBhCVlwMWS%2BxU9l35og2%2FBsrtANzrAqiU%3D&reserved=0> > > [2] > > lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@mxnet.apache.org<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.apache.org%2Flist.html%3Fdev%40mxnet.apache.org&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=g6aPFr3QJGUnM%2BH%2BHJSfw%2FwfuvGXi68O%2FgU1Yf1HQTw%3D&reserved=0> > > [3] > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/releases<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Fincubator-mxnet%2Freleases&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=kJCyFbwQdRPBLDQDsWZsH0keXXcAzsTu4f0jbye4E2w%3D&reserved=0> > > [4] > > https://mxnet.apache.org/<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmxnet.apache.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=V41ASlhxrS4CT4GZdqbaziwTv78yjBGJi5%2F3nKhZrMg%3D&reserved=0> > > [5] > > https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.apache.org%2Ffoundation%2Fmarks%2Fpmcs&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=HilfPUO4%2FZmEQ5Xypd%2BJc7DiIq9tSy%2Fi%2FOMb%2FZt%2BvWg%3D&reserved=0> > > [6] > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Apache+Maturity+Model+Assessment+for+MXNet<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcwiki.apache.org%2Fconfluence%2Fdisplay%2FMXNET%2FApache%2BMaturity%2BModel%2BAssessment%2Bfor%2BMXNet&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=WZ3uYwZSB%2BDXL351C9DlNtMaTrycmtb4bJvkv8cxL%2B8%3D&reserved=0> > > [7] > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fissues.apache.org%2Fjira%2Fbrowse%2FINCUBATOR-253&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=935gKBcfDUOVsmJg7kMd%2FQmkOJCGkS2ly7DqrLkJ610%3D&reserved=0> > > [8] > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20475<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Fincubator-mxnet%2Fissues%2F20475&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=bgJEAHMoM7eNpPkvZld9L63LdtWPGSagojctbaZ36ZY%3D&reserved=0> > > [9] > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20616<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Fincubator-mxnet%2Fissues%2F20616&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=bK6ZYS4a1ek53y%2BcTkCyGCDJLmAQIL8ScRXHm1givfU%3D&reserved=0> > > [10] > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-13800<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fissues.apache.org%2Fjira%2Fbrowse%2FINFRA-13800&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2Bo%2FJrTRgcRtdUHvqbAiOwz8g9QD4x0G0tYba034vbWw%3D&reserved=0> > > >
