Hi all, Thanks for the responses and concerns. I see that most would rather have an opt-out process and be included as an initial member by default. I will post the proposed resolution in the Github issue[1] that includes all PPMC by default. If anyone would like to opt-out of being appointed as an initial member, please discuss here or on the issue. Looking forward to having a community vote soon and having all your support as PPMC. :)
Regards, Joe references: [1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20984 On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 4:50 PM <[email protected]> wrote: > On the same boat here. > > - Joe: Do you mind sharing the Apache guideline we follow to enforce: > > "I'd like to request all PPMC that would like to be included as an > initial member in the resolution to please respond on this thread within > the next 72 hours so we can finalize the resolution." > > Thanks, > Qing > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Chris Olivier <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Thursday, April 21, 2022 16:41 > *To:* Marco de Abreu <[email protected]> > *Cc:* * Anirudh Subramanian <[email protected]>; * Bing Xu < > [email protected]>; * Bob Paulin <[email protected]>; * Carin Meier < > [email protected]>; * Chiyuan Zhang <[email protected]>; * Dick Carter < > [email protected]>; * Eric Xie <[email protected]>; * Furkan Kamaci < > [email protected]>; * Haibin Lin <[email protected]>; * Henri Yandell < > [email protected]>; * Hongliang Liu <[email protected]>; * Indhu Bharathi < > [email protected]>; * Jackie Wu <[email protected]>; * Jason Dai < > [email protected]>; * Jian Zhang <[email protected]>; * Joe > Spisak <[email protected]>; * Jun Wu <[email protected]>; * Leonard > Lausen <[email protected]>; * Liang Depeng <[email protected]>; * Ly > Nguyen <[email protected]>; * Madan Jampani <[email protected]>; * Markus > Weimer <[email protected]>; * Mu Li <[email protected]>; * Nan Zhu < > [email protected]>; * Naveen Swamy <[email protected]>; * Przemysław > Trędak <[email protected]>; * Qiang Kou <[email protected]>; * Qing Lan < > [email protected]>; * Sandeep Krishnamurthy <[email protected]>; * Sergey > Kolychev <[email protected]>; * Sheng Zha <[email protected]>; > * Shiwen Hu <[email protected]>; * Tao Lv <[email protected]>; * > Terry Chen <[email protected]>; * Thomas Delteil < > [email protected]>; * Tianqi Chen <[email protected]>; * Tong He < > [email protected]>; * Tsuyoshi Ozawa <[email protected]>; * Xingjian Shi < > [email protected]>; * YiZhi Liu <[email protected]>; * Yifeng Geng < > [email protected]>; * Yu Zhang <[email protected]>; * Yuan Tang < > [email protected]>; * Yutian Li <[email protected]>; * Zhi Zhang < > [email protected]>; * Zihao Zheng <[email protected]>; * Ziheng > Jiang <[email protected]>; * Ziyue Huang <[email protected]>; Joe Evans < > [email protected]>; [email protected] <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache MXNet (Incubating) as a TLP > > responding although I am also suspicious of the process > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 4:11 PM Marco de Abreu <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I’m not sure that this is the way this process works. I can recall from > the back of my mind that unless somebody opts out (you’re requesting an > opt-in), they will graduate from a PPMC to a PMC. > > Would you be so kind to check again to make sure we’re following the right > process? > > -Marco > > On Fri 22. Apr 2022 at 01:08, Joe Evans <[email protected]> wrote: > > +CC'ing all PPMC to ensure visibility > > Hi MXNet Community, > > Just to follow-up on this discussion, I am currently working on drafting a > resolution to be considered by the Apache board for graduating the MXNet > project. I believe typically all PPMC are appointed to be initial members > of the graduated top-level project. We have a large number (50) of PPMC and > I believe not all PPMC are still active and may have no interest in being a > member of the newly graduated project. I'd like to request all PPMC that > would like to be included as an initial member in the resolution to please > respond on this thread within the next 72 hours so we can finalize the > resolution. > > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 3:27 PM Marco de Abreu <[email protected]> > wrote: > > +1 > > Thanks for pushing our graduation and I agree that Sheng would be a great > chair! > > -Marco > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 23:03 Joe Evans <[email protected]> wrote: > > > BCC'ing all mentors > > > > Hi MXNet Community, > > > > Apache MXNet (incubating) has been an incubating project since January, > > 2017[1]. Since then, the project has matured and adopted the Apache > > Software Foundation’s principles and philosophy around building and > > maintaining open source software. There is a thriving community of > > developers and users from all over the world that regularly contribute to > > the project. > > > > Here is a brief overview of the progress of the Apache MXNet (incubating) > > project and community since entering the incubator: > > > > Community > > > > - > > > > 37 new PPMC members were added, bringing the total number of PPMC > > members to 50 > > - > > > > 55 new committers were added (which include new PPMC members), > bringing > > the total number of committers to 86 > > - > > > > The total number of contributors is now 870 and growing. > > - > > > > The dev@mxnet mailing list[2] currently has X subscribers, and all > > major > > project discussions happen there. > > > > Project > > > > - > > > > 18 releases[3] by 13 different release managers. All compliance issues > > have been resolved with the 1.9.0 and 2.0.beta releases. > > - > > > > MXNet website[4] is now compliant with Apache Project Website > > requirements[5] > > - > > > > MXNet has completed the project maturity self assessment[6] > > > > Concerns > > > > Although I think most of the issues noted below have been resolved, I did > > want to bring up a few problems that have been identified with the > project > > in the past. > > > > Licensing and Branding Issues > > > > The IPMC brought up some release and branding issues and filed a JIRA > > ticket[7] back in June, 2020. The community addressed the concerns but > the > > ticket remains open. > > > > We also went through an extensive license audit throughout the 1.9.0 > > release[8][9], switch from using a DISCLAIMER-WIP to DISCLAIMER and added > > automated license checking tools to prevent future licensing issues from > > being introduced. We are confident we now comply with ASF requirements > and > > have the tools in-place to stay compliant. > > > > Distribution Rights and IP Clearance > > > > Our project status page[1] does not have dates under the Copyright and > > Verify Distribution Rights sections. Based on the ticket[10] when the > > source code was initially imported, an SGA was not required since MXNet > > wasn’t developed by a commercial entity. Since the code was already > Apache > > 2.0 licensed, there was not a formal IP Clearance process completed. > Based > > on the extensive license audit completed for the 1.9.0 release, I believe > > we can use the date when the release passed the general@incubator vote > > when > > the Distribution Rights were verified. Unless there are objections, I > will > > get these dates set on the status page after this discussion has > completed. > > > > Chair for Project > > > > In part of our draft resolution that we will create to be considered by > the > > Apache Board, we must appoint a Chair to represent the project. Based on > > his long project history and continued involvement, I would like to > > nominate Sheng Zha as the project Chair. > > > > > > This discussion will be open for at least 72 hours. > > > > References: > > [1] https://incubator.apache.org/projects/mxnet.html > <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincubator.apache.org%2Fprojects%2Fmxnet.html&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=z%2Fg%2FdXBjM5UBhCVlwMWS%2BxU9l35og2%2FBsrtANzrAqiU%3D&reserved=0> > > [2] lists.apache.org/[email protected] > <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.apache.org%2Flist.html%3Fdev%40mxnet.apache.org&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=g6aPFr3QJGUnM%2BH%2BHJSfw%2FwfuvGXi68O%2FgU1Yf1HQTw%3D&reserved=0> > > [3] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/releases > <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Fincubator-mxnet%2Freleases&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=kJCyFbwQdRPBLDQDsWZsH0keXXcAzsTu4f0jbye4E2w%3D&reserved=0> > > [4] https://mxnet.apache.org/ > <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmxnet.apache.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=V41ASlhxrS4CT4GZdqbaziwTv78yjBGJi5%2F3nKhZrMg%3D&reserved=0> > > [5] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs > <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.apache.org%2Ffoundation%2Fmarks%2Fpmcs&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=HilfPUO4%2FZmEQ5Xypd%2BJc7DiIq9tSy%2Fi%2FOMb%2FZt%2BvWg%3D&reserved=0> > > [6] > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Apache+Maturity+Model+Assessment+for+MXNet > <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcwiki.apache.org%2Fconfluence%2Fdisplay%2FMXNET%2FApache%2BMaturity%2BModel%2BAssessment%2Bfor%2BMXNet&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=WZ3uYwZSB%2BDXL351C9DlNtMaTrycmtb4bJvkv8cxL%2B8%3D&reserved=0> > > [7] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253 > <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fissues.apache.org%2Fjira%2Fbrowse%2FINCUBATOR-253&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=935gKBcfDUOVsmJg7kMd%2FQmkOJCGkS2ly7DqrLkJ610%3D&reserved=0> > > [8] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20475 > <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Fincubator-mxnet%2Fissues%2F20475&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=bgJEAHMoM7eNpPkvZld9L63LdtWPGSagojctbaZ36ZY%3D&reserved=0> > > [9] https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/20616 > <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Fincubator-mxnet%2Fissues%2F20616&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=bK6ZYS4a1ek53y%2BcTkCyGCDJLmAQIL8ScRXHm1givfU%3D&reserved=0> > > [10] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-13800 > <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fissues.apache.org%2Fjira%2Fbrowse%2FINFRA-13800&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce1e3271046d04e1e15f208da23f08291%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637861813136055637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2Bo%2FJrTRgcRtdUHvqbAiOwz8g9QD4x0G0tYba034vbWw%3D&reserved=0> > > > >
